imba
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6,234 | 6,722 | |
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9.4 | 8.2 | |
5 days ago | 5 days ago | |
JavaScript | JavaScript | |
MIT License | The Unlicense |
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imba
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Ask HN: What are some unpopular technologies you wish people knew more about?
Imba. The best web programming language ever made.
https://imba.io/
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Portugal. The Man – Official Website Is a Google Sheets Document
I agree. I was looking for the same thing.
They’re not easy to create but side by side code/result demos like the ones I saw on https://imba.io/ make it very clear on what I’ll be getting into as a developer.
- Imba – The friendly full-stack language
- Clojure is a product design tool
- Fore – Declarative user interfaces in plain HTML
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Framework for a frontend-only project?
You might get away with Svelte (not Sveltekit) here since it compiles down to javascript. Another fun framework to try out for this might be https://imba.io/, which also has an option to compile things down to pure HTML, CSS & JS (plus it’s very fun to work with).
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Thoughts on Svelte
I've been using Svelte exclusively for the past 3 years or so. I love it and will keep using it as my main solution for interactivity. It's fast to use and execute, produces small apps, and it's extremely economical in how you express components.
The confusion the author expresses with $: reactive statements and store auto subscription with the $ are unwarranted IMO. It's really just a lack of familiarity but this kind of stuff becomes intuitive very quickly.
My criticism of Svelte is rather that they haven't gone deep enough into the compiler-based approach.
Would be great if there were something like .svelteStore files where you had all the automatic reactivity tracking without having to use a component. Or some kind of improvements into writing styles. With a compiler you can do anything you want and I think Svelte has been a bit timid, maybe to not scare people away.
For example Imba[1] also bet on a compiler-based approach (years before Svelte existed) and created their own language/framework/compiler. They have come up with amazing solutions to many problems. It's a shame they bet on Ruby aesthetics though and also that they aren't investing into marketing/docs.
Of course, one might argue that using a compiler is a bad idea for a number of reasons. And yeah of course there are objective issues to any approach, but you have to pick your poison. All in all, Svelte has made me tremendously productive compared to using other solutions for years (React, Vue, Mithril, Inferno, etc).
I will say though that I would rather use a solution that doesn't have any reactivity at all. Mithril and Imba have this concept of just "redrawing the whole thing" like a game GUI without having to worry about reactivity. Cognitively speaking, no reactivity is the best mental model IMO. With any reactive solution, it's very easy to fall into complex reactive dependencies which can be hard to track. The author of Imba has a video from 2018 where he talks about this[2].
[1] https://imba.io/
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwoApTLvRdQ
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The Io Language
A code snippet showing a simple program right on the home page and "selling" whatever features makes it special would go a long way. It's quite off-putting to have to delve deep into a guide in order to get a feel for a language.
Some examples done right:
https://lfe.io
https://elixir-lang.org
https://imba.io
https://ocaml.org
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Why do so many CS grads seem to look down on webdev?
At the same time, my heart is kind of in the web stuff and I find it a lot more exciting personally so it's hard for me to leave. You can do so much more with web tech and all the new ideas Tcoming from it and the pace it's developing is really . I just don't understand why React is becoming the standard when it's a complete nightmare compared to where we should be. I mean, this is literally insane, especially when things like Svelte exist - or even better, Imba. The day Imba becomes the standard is the day I love web dev again.
postgres
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Neon Is Generally Available: Serverless Postgres
I want to use this as a chance to bring attention to a GitHub issue that I think would help reduce friction for Neon:
https://github.com/neondatabase/neon/issues/4989
If the Neon driver were to allow us to easily pass in a localhost connection, the development and test experience would be easier. Perhaps Neon could swap to something like this internally: https://github.com/porsager/postgres.
Having run a local dev environment connected to Neon and tests connected to Neon got in our way of adoption. We'd prefer to develop and run tests against a regular Postgres localhost database.
To the PMs of Neon, put yourself in the shoes of a new developer thinking of giving Neon a try. What changes will I have to make to my code and my development workflow?
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Drizzle is just as unready for prime-time as Prisma, what else is there?
I'd push you to consider using postgres, slonik or similar for database queries. With these libraries, you just write SQL, but they perform input sanitization for you. So you can safely write:
- Ask HN: If you were to build a web app today what tech stack would you choose?
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PostgresJs: The Fastest full featured PostgreSQL client for Node.js and Deno
Thanks Pier! Your comment saved me some frustration here :-D
https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627#discuss...
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We migrated to SQL. Our biggest learning? Don't use Prisma ORM
There's a core client interface here:
- https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/client-interfaces.ht...
On what makes it postgres.js faster, from author himself:
> it seems Postgres.js is actually faster than, not only pg, but of any driver out-there
- https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627
- https://porsager.github.io/imdbench/sql.html
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Relational is more than SQL
When viewed as a DSL for set theory, views, CTEs, set-returning functions, et al are indeed proper first-class query abstractions.
When viewed through the lens of general purpose imperative or functional programming languages, it's easy to see how it can be seen as falling short.
I'll admit much of the tooling and driver APIs leave a lot to be desired.
Some tools do make good efforts though such as nested fragments in this driver.
https://github.com/porsager/postgres#building-queries
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SQLite-based databases on the Postgres protocol? Yes we can
I don't think this should turn in to an ORM or not debate, but there are plenty of reasons, especially for the crowd that would do anything to avoid ORMs. Just try to take a peek into the multitude of "ORMs are bad" articles / discussions.
For instance - I would love to be able to use https://github.com/porsager/postgres with sqlite.
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Is ORM still an anti-pattern?
Demonstrate how easily and accidentally one can make an SQL injection with these:
https://github.com/porsager/postgres
https://github.com/gajus/slonik
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Storage on Vercel
They've looked at Postgres.js (https://github.com/porsager/postgres) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way.
What are some alternatives?
js-framework-benchmark - A comparison of the performance of a few popular javascript frameworks
pg-promise - PostgreSQL interface for Node.js
React - The library for web and native user interfaces.
trpc - 🧙♀️ Move Fast and Break Nothing. End-to-end typesafe APIs made easy.
Tailwind CSS - A utility-first CSS framework for rapid UI development.
slonik - A Node.js PostgreSQL client with runtime and build time type safety, and composable SQL.
svelte-preprocess - A ✨ magical ✨ Svelte preprocessor with sensible defaults and support for: PostCSS, SCSS, Less, Stylus, Coffeescript, TypeScript, Pug and much more.
prisma-redis-middleware - Prisma Middleware for caching queries in Redis
coffeescript - Unfancy JavaScript
MySQL - A pure node.js JavaScript Client implementing the MySQL protocol.
htmx - </> htmx - high power tools for HTML
PostgreSQL - PostgreSQL client for node.js.