idiomorph
intercooler-js
idiomorph | intercooler-js | |
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590 | 4,727 | |
6.3% | 0.0% | |
7.6 | 0.0 | |
28 days ago | over 1 year ago | |
JavaScript | HTML | |
BSD 2-clause "Simplified" License | MIT License |
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idiomorph
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A Response to "Have Single-Page Apps Ruined the Web?"
in plain htmx, you can target an area that doesn't disrupt a playing video (e.g. the comments box appending to the comments) or you can use a morphing algorithm that disrupts the DOM less.
i have my own morphing algorithm (and a corresponding htmx plugin that allows you to use it) called idiomorph:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/
i've also been working with the chrome team to get a feature added they are calling "atomic moves":
https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/1255
this would allow us to move elements around in the DOM without losing things like play state or focus or whatever
very excited for this last idea, I think it will be a huge boon for the web in general, not just for htmx
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The Aha Stack
for htmx 2.0 i'm integrating this functionality into the core
it's based on the head morphing algorithm of idiomorph:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/
which 37Signals is going to integrate into Turbo for v8:
https://twitter.com/ben_pylo/status/1717975035669876790
[1] - https://htmx.org/essays/locality-of-behaviour/
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Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator
i certainly hope not
the 2.0 would drop IE support, remove the older SSE and WebSocket support, and switch a couple of defaults (e.g, using template wrapping for parsing partial content, which handles troublesome elements like table rows better, but isn't available in IE) so it would be a breaking change (not for most folks, but still, breaking for some) which I only like to do w/ major versions.
we may have one major addition: a morph swap based on idiomorph:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/
i'm on the fence on that one: it is currently available as an extension and maybe doesn't belong in the core, still thinking about it
so, in comparison with most libraries, 2.0 is going to be very minor
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Htmx Is the Future
maybe I'm too close to it, but htmx feels like a hack to address things that really should be part of the HTML spec
if browsers got into the game I would assume they could do things much faster and integrate things like preload (https://htmx.org/extensions/preload/) and idiomorph (https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/) much more cleanly w/ the rest of the browser infrastructure
- htmx is in the first cohort of the GitHub Accelerator! | The GitHub Blog
- Writing JavaScript without a build system
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Ask HN: What have you created that deserves a second chance on HN?
idiomorph:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph
it's an updated take on the DOM morphing algorithm of morphdom, and it uses what i call "ID sets" to allow the morphing algorithm to "see" children in the DOM when making morphing decisions in the parents, which means you don't need to annotate the DOM with as many ids
here is a demo showing how it outperforms morphdom when ids are sparse/deep:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph#demo
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Ask HN: What's Your Proudest Hack?
my trick for making the `htmx:confirm` event act like it is blocking:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/htmx/blob/a3c414dcee94fd03...
basically, redesign the arguments for a function such that I can call it again at a given spot with one parameter changed and, to a first order approximation, it acts as if the function is resumable.
I've used this hack in many places now, just recently in idiomorph to allow head elements to load before the rest of the content is morphed:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/blob/e6dfc189fa3...
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Moving from React to htmx on a real-world SaaS application
That being said, htmx is about 3000 lines of mostly-understandable JavaScript. Really, the only two somewhat ugly parts of the code are history support and the somewhat fancy swapping model that enables CSS transitions. And it's basically baked at this point. I plan on adding a merge-style swap (https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph), better head merging and cleaning up some rough edges in htmx 2.0, but the core API shouldn't change at all and for most people 2.0 will be the same as a point release. At that point, htmx will be done done, and just another tool to use when building websites.
- Show HN: Idiomorph, a new DOM morphing algorithm
intercooler-js
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Htmx and the Rule of Least Power
An early version of Htmx was in fact based on jQuery (https://intercoolerjs.org).
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Rage: Fast web framework compatible with Rails
I used HTMX since the intercooler days [0] but the stuff you can make is rather limited. Also you still need the JS to deal with a11y things like expanded state (or hyperscript, apparently).
If you have a lot of components to implement, everything requires thinking.
I really love it for simple applications though. Resist implementing a complicated menu, live notifications, an editable data-table and such non-web-native things and you can create the fastest CRUD app ever.
And you will need another client, but that's not really an issue if your view model does not contain non-public data (it shouldn't), as you can convert it to JSON at the same endpoint and call it an API.
[0]: https://intercoolerjs.org/
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Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator
to an extent, there was `jQuery.get` but it wasn't tightly integrated with HTML
the original version of htmx was intercooler.js:
https://intercoolerjs.org
released in 2013, and that version depended on jQuery
- Writing JavaScript without a build system
- We're breaking up with JavaScript front ends
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Ask HN: What are your “scratch own itch” projects?
You asked for it:
https://htmx.org
https://hyperscript.org
I hated angular when it first came out and couldn't believe what insanity people were willing to come up with, so long as it came from google. (e.g. GWT) I created https://intercoolerjs.org out of frustration with that, and the lack of progress in HTML/hypermedia in general, so I could build a web application I was working on (https://leaddyno.com, since sold).
When covid hit I took a look back at intercooler and decided that it was really two things: HTML++ and a scripting language, so I split it up into htmx, focused just on the hypermedia angle, and hyperscript, the scripting language I wanted for the web (derived from HyperTalk, and old scripting language from HyperCard on the mac).
I know use them both professionally (email me if you want to use them too.)
- Stop submitting to social conformity and use your brain instead
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Ask HN: What are some tools / libraries you built yourself?
I created intercooler.js in 2013 so I could do AJAX in HTML:
https://intercoolerjs.org
Last year I removed the jquery dependency and cleaned it up based on a lot of lessons that I learned, renaming it to hmtx:
https://htmx.org
Same idea: extends/complete HTML as a hypertext so you can build more advanced UI within the original hypermedia web model, and cleaner implementation.
Part of that cleanup involved me pulling out some functionality around events and a proto-scripting language (ic-action), and I enjoy programming languages, so I created a front end scripting language to fill that need:
https://hyperscript.org
It's based on HyperTalk and has a lot of domain specific features for lightweight front end scripting, kind of a jQuery or AlpineJS alternative.
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Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
This is my experience, and your mileage may vary:
Multiple times in my coding career I have felt stalled and/or like I was regressing.
Early on, I worked on a programming language, gosu (https://gosu-lang.github.io/) which ended up not really going anywhere. Once the work on it was done, I returned to more mundane web programming for a while. A long while after that, and unexpectedly, I turned a jQuery function I was noodling on into intercooler.js (https://intercoolerjs.org/). After a year of that I returned to mundane web programming for quite a while. Unexpectedly, a year ago, the country shut down. I was at home and decided to see if I could remove the jQuery dependency in intercooler.js, and so created htmx (https://htmx.org/). When creating htmx and removing some attribute/functionality, I realized that a small programming language would be the ideal replacement, so I created hyperscript: https://hyperscript.org/. I had not expected to work on a programming language again, but now I am.
So my career has been some very exciting technical projects punctuating long stretches of pretty basic web development, where the most exciting thing is me wondering if I can figure out what the deuce is wrong with my CSS. My takeaway here, at least in my career, is that patience is a virtue, and the interesting stuff tends to come up at irregular intervals and in unexpected moments and ways.
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HTML over-the-wire is the future of Web Development
htmx is the successor to intercooler.js. It swaps parts of the page, not the whole page like Turbolinks. htmx allows you to access AJAX, CSS Transitions, WebSockets and Server Sent Events directly in HTML, using attributes, so you can build modern user interfaces with the simplicity and power of hypertext
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smc - Simple Memory Check
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Tabula - Extract tables from PDF files
datasette - An open source multi-tool for exploring and publishing data
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