ichnaea VS Openstreetmap

The rather troubling part of this announcement in a GitHub issue is that this nugget comes out in a seemingly innocuous comment[1]:

>> Firefox still uses MLS for `browser.region.network.url`; will that also move to Google Location Services?

> This endpoint will be migrated to another service (classify-client) that will return the expected response. We'll adjust DNS entries when it's time to make that move so firefox won't see any difference.

What exactly is this "classify-client" service?

Note also this led me to discover for the first time that this is a thing[2]:

> Geolocation for default search engine

> In order to set the right default search engine for your location, Firefox will perform a geolocation lookup once by contacting Mozilla's servers and store the country-level result locally. This connection happens on the first start of Firefox – in case you want to prohibit that, you will have to preconfigure the browser and set the browser.search.geoip.url preference to a blank string.

Also related is [3].

[1]: https://github.com/mozilla/ichnaea/issues/2065#issuecomment-...

[2]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-stop-firefox-making...

[3]: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/iq27wa/disabling_l...

I don't know what WiGLE users do with the data, but the WiGLE admins sold Wi-Fi location data to Microsoft to bootstrap Bing Maps back in the day.

I helped bootstrap Mozilla's Location Service (MLS) to support geolocation on Firefox OS without Google Location Services. Mozilla even had its own Wi-Fi "wardriving/stumbling" app (MozStumbler https://github.com/mozilla/MozStumbler) and an opt-in stumbler in Firefox Android. But once Firefox OS was retired, there wasn't much need for MLS. However, Mozilla still runs a Wi-Fi geolocation service open to other projects (like GNOME's Geoclue service).

Mozilla also publishes cell tower location data and shares with the OpenCellID stumbling project. I worked with Mozilla's privacy and security teams to see if we could publish the Wi-Fi location data, but we didn't find a privacy-preserving way to do that.

For more information about MLS, check out https://location.services.mozilla.com/

Google mainly makes a search engine deal and pays Mozilla to use Google Location services rather than Mozilla's. Google doesn't control the development of Firefox, or its browser engine Gecko (at least directly, they do maniplulate the market so other browsers are forced to implement their stuff, Manifest v3 itself being an example).

The same is possible with bluetooth. Source: Mozilla Location Services

Tower Collector, as an app, collects for both https://opencellid.org/ and https://location.services.mozilla.com/ . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla\_Location\_Service

I had used Google's Geolocation API and Mozilla Location Service in the past.

I wouldn't compare osm-website and osm-carto at all. The commit logs are very different.

openstreetmap-website: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commi... . Numerous commits most days.

openstreetmap-carto: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commits . So far in 2024; one small regression fixed, one niche bit of tagging added to an existing style, some largely pointless code style tidying. That's it.

Contributing is simple:

1. When you see a trail or any other feature that doesn't appear on the map, take a picture.

2. When you get home, visit https://www.openstreetmap.org and start drawing.

The website has satellite images overlayed wirh map data, so it's easy to see what you are doing.

You can look at your pictures to remind yourself of what was missing.

If you have recorded your ride,you can also upload your GPX trace to OpenStreetMap to make it easier to trace features that don't show up clearly on satellite images.

What impressed me was that it looks like openstreetmap shows the bridge as down already.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/39.2144/-76.5279

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Way overdue. OpenStreetMap's website at openstreetmap.org is its calling card, and for the past few years the default style shown (called Carto) has all but stagnated in development. Accepted features like highway=busway (introduced three years ago) are not rendered there because the maintainers can no longer be bothered, or dislike the tag personally despite broad community backing.

What worries me for this new effort is that Paul Norman is one of the two remaining Carto sometimes-active maintainers who refuse to merge contributed PRs or even provide alternative minimal support for features like highway=busway, leading to awkward gaps on the baseline map shown on openstreetmap.org.

I would love to be surprised in a positive way about this new effort, but I'm not holding my hopes up. Thankfully OpenStreetMap can be thoroughly useful in apps like OsmAnd and OrganicMaps, and the tile-based Tracestrack Topo layer on openstreetmap.org is getting quite decent:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#layers=P

https://www.hotosm.org/tools-and-data runs software that's used for example after an earthquake. The tasking manager specifically is a reactjs app plus postgresql with plenty of open issues. HOTOSM has full-time staff, I'm not sure if the developers are full-time, but it's more organized than a volunteer project.

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/ is Ruby on Rails (easy installable with a docker setup). The maintainers have trouble even reviewing incoming PRs so an experienced person who can triage, test, review is currently needed.

If you're in the US then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_for_America might be worth having a look at.

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ will soon annouce vetted organizations who do open source. (last year https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/programs/2023/organizati...). Project are paid, the process is long though, all summer. https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline

> 9450 S. W. Barns Rd

Portlandians: Are Barns Rd and Barnes Rd the same thing? Looks like a nice spot if so: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.50901/-122.77468

That building is now a SFX agency: https://hellohinge.com/ (No relation to the dating app)

Also curious if the TEKsystems employment agency next door took its name from Tektronix.

Yes, https://www.openstreetmap.org has quite inconsistent detail as it relies on people mapping stuff.

And help is welcome, anyone can join and help with mapping!

It's shown on OpenStreetMap, but not as a street: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.3682/1.0330