hawck VS wayfire

That is actually very smart and helpful, thanks! :) My only gripe with autokey is that it's the only thing holding me back from wayland. Hawck is supposed to work with wayland but I never got it to work, was a while ago I though

https://github.com/snyball/Hawck

Autokey does not work yet, but there is Hawck and Espanso that you could play around with. And there is ydotool if all you need is simulating basic input (as in ydotool mousemove -x -10 -y -10, ydotool type 'Hello world!' and so on).

Hawck?

>Creating a "standardized experience" like Windows usually means that configurability goes right out the window. It's how you get abominations like dconf or the GNOME music player

I don't understand how you connected these dots and I'd suggest against calling things abominations. You don't have to use dconf or the GNOME music player, those aren't standardized. If someone does like them I think they're perfectly fine, they do exactly what they're advertised to do. It's also fine if you don't like them, they're just two options from the many configuration databases and media players that you can choose from.

>But why shouldn't I be able to run xbindkeys or sxhkd or whatever hotkey dameon I want?

In some ways you actually can but it depends on the hotkey daemon and how it's implemented. The reason for that is technical, those are implemented with X grabs which have a number of usability and security issues. There are a few key rebinding daemons that use evdev directly so they work with Wayland:

https://github.com/samvel1024/kbct

https://github.com/snyball/Hawck

But these also do have similar security issues to X key grabs, in that they effectively operate as keyloggers. If you're looking for an API that works purely within Wayland and lets unprivileged clients request key rebinding, that doesn't exist yet. Somebody would need to specify what that API looks like and figure out a good way to make it secure. What would the end goal of the API be, and how could the system (and by extension, the user) tell the difference between a legitimate hotkey daemon and a malicious keylogger? And would it actually be any better than the approach of snooping evdev? I don't know the answer to these questions but you may have more experience with this than I do.

Unusable until moving your mouse to the edges of the screen and clicking makes it hit the scrollbar, or the exit button. Right now it initiates a resize.

Illustrated example from a different compositor https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/issues/570

It's the only DE I'm excited about it so I hope they fix that. Very very promising and the best part is that it made the GNOME people mad.

GNOME: "Sorry I don't see the use case for that, PR closed. Make your own project. "

One of the developers just responded on the github issue referecing this thread.

"After a bit of discussion on HackerNews, I got a bit better understanding of the actual problem. People don't want to just configure the keys according to a particular layout - the actual 'issue' here is that they expect the key binding changes together with the layout. Unfortunately, the 0.8.0 changes didn't make this possible to implement as a plugin.

I would reconsider adding this as an option if there are enough interested people. React with a thumbs up to this comment if you are interested in having this option (though the defaults will certainly remain as they are now). Please, react only if you actually use Wayfire or would use it if it had this feature :)"

https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/issues/1601#issuecommen...

I have been on Wayfire for over a year now, and I can't possibly praise it enough. It's entirely modular, so you can make it look and behave exactly as you want. It does tiling, it does Compiz-style wobbly windows and 3D desktop cubes, configurable rules and hotkeys, everything. It's stable and handles gaming flawlessly.

Your impression of Wayland is going to be very much determined by the quality of the compositor implementing it, and I've found Wayfire to be the best, by far - but oddly, also the one least talked about. Everybody's paying attention to stuff like Hyprland, Sway and Mutter - you're barking up the wrong tree there. Wayfire is fantastic, has most of the bells and whistles Compiz on X11 has, and is as pretty or as functional as you want it to be.

- VR support

I thought so too not long ago, but Wayland compositors needed some time to mature, and some of them are getting pretty damn good. Ever since I discovered Wayfire I'm a total believer, it's better than any X window management solution I've used. Much lighter too.

might be a small window when wayfire releases a version, before master identfies as the next release number. (see: https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/blob/master/meson.build )