hatch VS ocaml

Exciting stuff! I view Hatch [1] as becoming the Cargo for Python because it's already close and has an existing (and growing) user base but I can definitely see depending on this for resolution and potentially not even using pip after it becomes more stable.

[1]: https://hatch.pypa.io/latest/

I was inspired enough by the hatch sync idea that I created a PR to add that functionality to hatch: https://github.com/pypa/hatch/pull/1094

Another concept I learned was about build backends, an import step which is used to initialize and install any dependencies of the app you're packaging. Since the tutorial went with using Hatch that is also what I went with, though it didn't provide a lot of useful details especially because it didn't show how to add any dependencies, so I took a look at the docs which were very nice and simple to follow.

Try using hatch: https://hatch.pypa.io/latest/

I'm trying to learn Hatch, I currently use [Poetry](python-poetry.org/) to manage my dependencies, and while I'm overall happy with it, I really like the features I'm reading about with Hatch. I'm also working on learning CI pipelines & Dockerizing Python applications, and Hatch seems like a really useful tool to learn for this (and just as a general use tool).

Poetry 1.2 has been a pain. Which was the dev's fault though. Switching to something new while deprecating a related feature is just plain bad. I've been looking into modern alternatives like PDM and Hatch, but haven't used them (yet).

For example, when it comes to Python, one option is to use the same packaging system that a huge number of open-source libraries and tools are published with. You can use setuptools or Hatch to build a "packaged" version of your code, and publish it to either the public PyPi repository or an internal one that you set up. Then your users can use pip to install your package, automatically fetch its dependencies, and keep it up to date, just like any other Python module.

Don't forget the new PyPa tool on the block: Hatch.

See also: https://github.com/pypa/hatch

> OCaml’s configure script is also “normal”

If that’s this OCaml, it has a configure.ac file in the root directory, which looks suspicious for an Autotools-free package: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml

You probably already know, but with OCaml 5 the only way to get flamegraphs working is to either:

* use framepointers [1]

* use LBR (but LBR has a limited depth, and may not work on on all CPUs, I'm assuming due to bugs in perf)

* implement some deep changes in how perf works to handle the 2 stacks in OCaml (I don't even know if this would be possible), or write/adapt some eBPF code to do it

OCaml 5 has a separate stack for OCaml code and C code, and although GDB can link them based on DWARF info, perf DWARF call-graphs cannot (https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/issues/12563#issuecomment-193...)

If you need more evidence to keep it enabled in future releases, you can use OCaml 5 as an example (unfortunately there aren't many OCaml applications, so that may not carry too much weight on its own).

[1]: I haven't actually realised that Fedora39 has already enabled FP by default, nice! (I still do most of my day-to-day profiling on an ~CentOS 7 system with 'perf --call-graph dwarf', I was aware that there was a discussion to enable FP by default, but haven't noticed it has actually been done already)

11. OCaml - $91,026

> It partially helps since it forces you to have types where they matters most: exported functions

But the problém the OP has is not knowing the types when reading the source (in the .ml file).

> How would it feels like to use list if only https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/blob/trunk/stdlib/list.ml was available,

If the signature where in the source file (which you can do in OCaml too), there would be no problem - which is what all the other (for some definition of "other") languages except C and C++ (even Fortran) do.

No, really, I can't see a single advantage of separate .mli files at all. The real problém is that the documentation is often worse too, as the .mli is autogenerated and documented afterwards - and now changes made later in the sources need to be documented in the mli too, so anything that doesn't change the type often gets lost. The same happens in C and C++ with header files.

If you have been in the Ruby community for the past couple of years, it's possible that you're not a super fan of types or that this concept never passed through your mind, and that's totally cool. I myself love the dynamic and meta-programming nature of Ruby, and honestly, by the time of this article's writing, we aren't on the level of OCaml for type checking and inference, but still, there are a couple of nice things that types with sorbet bring to the table:

Looks like there have been proposals to eliminate use of 3 operand lea in OCaml code (not accepted sadly):

https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/8531

An amazing example is Ocaml lang logo / mascot. It might be useful to talk with them to know what was the process behind this work. The About page camel head on Perl dot org header is also a pretty good example of simplification, but it's not a logo, just a friendly illustration, as the O'Reilly camel is. Another notable logo for this animal is the well known tobacco industry company, but don't get me started on that (“good” logo, though, if we look at the effectiveness of their marketing).

Haskell and Agda are probably the most obvious examples. Ocaml too, but it is much older, so its type system is not as categorical. There is also Idris, which is not as well-known but is very cool.

That does sound problematic, but without the code it is hard to tell what is the issue. Typically, compiling a 6kLoc file like https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/blob/trunk/typing/typecore.ml takes 0.8 s on my machine.