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oils
Oils is our upgrade path from bash to a better language and runtime. It's also for Python and JavaScript users who avoid shell!
Yup, I call that the Perlis-Thompson Principle -- because Ken Thompson made a very similar combinatorial argument about software composition: you should design it around one thing.
https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2021/07/blog-backlog-1.html#co...
Files had structure on pre-Unix OSes, but they don't on Unix, because it doesn't compose.
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The reason that shell is universal is a mathematical property of software. How do you make a Zig program talk to a Mojo program?
Probably with a byte stream.
What about a Clojure program and a Common Lisp program? Probably a byte stream. (Ironically, S-expressions have no commonly used "exterior" interchange format)
Every time a new language is introduced, I think "well there's another reason you're going to need a shell script".
The larger the system, the more heterogeneous it is. And software is larger now, which is why MORE GLUE is needed.
This is why shell was the #6 fastest growing language on Github in 2022: https://octoverse.github.com/2022/top-programming-languages
And the #1 fastest growing language is HCL, which is a very closely related form of glue.
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https://www.oilshell.org/ has JSON as of a few months ago, and is now pure native code (no more Python)
All the normal shell stuff works:
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QEMU
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A better solution is just to write a plain ass shell script that tests if various C snippets compile.
https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/configure
https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/build/detect-pwe...
Not an unholy mix of m4, shell, and C, all in the same file.
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These are the same style as a the configure scripts that Fabrice Bellard wrote for tcc and QEMU.
They are plain ass shell scripts, because he actually understands the code he writes.
https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/configure
https://github.com/TinyCC/tinycc/blob/mob/configure
OCaml’s configure script is also “normal”.
You don’t have to copy and paste thousands of lines of GNU stuff that you don’t understand.
(copy of lobste.rs comment)
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A better solution is just to write a plain ass shell script that tests if various C snippets compile.
https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/configure
https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/build/detect-pwe...
Not an unholy mix of m4, shell, and C, all in the same file.
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These are the same style as a the configure scripts that Fabrice Bellard wrote for tcc and QEMU.
They are plain ass shell scripts, because he actually understands the code he writes.
https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/configure
https://github.com/TinyCC/tinycc/blob/mob/configure
OCaml’s configure script is also “normal”.
You don’t have to copy and paste thousands of lines of GNU stuff that you don’t understand.
(copy of lobste.rs comment)
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Anything that has to run on a BSD or a Mac needs these tools
Do QEMU, tcc, and OCaml run on BSD and Mac? Pretty sure they do
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39925033
https://github.com/lucasaiu/ocaml/blob/master/configure
They have hand-written configure scripts, and don't use autoconf.
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I think Make is exactly what you want, and I do recommend it to everybody, since the default alternative is usually something heinous like CMake which isn't really an improvement. You want the bit of logic to create a "build system" out of Make abstracted into a library, and then it's perfect. I use this: https://github.com/dkogan/mrbuild/ but there're many other ways to do it
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> OCaml’s configure script is also “normal”
If that’s this OCaml, it has a configure.ac file in the root directory, which looks suspicious for an Autotools-free package: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml
