flutter_embedder VS druid

I'm actually working on this as a side project (here).

I personally settled on Flutter. It's a modern declarative UI framework by Google that was designed for mobile apps, but it can also do desktop and web these days. It can be used as a library using its embedder API that can render to Vulkan, Metal and OpenGL. So, it can be embedded in a wgpu context (here's my prototype for that based on wgpu/Vulkan and winit). Flutter uses Dart for UI programming, which is fine for me, since a lot of iteration is necessary for that, and Flutter allows Dart code to be hot reloaded during development (so you just have to save your file and the running application is updated automatically, keeping all of its state intact). Rust wouldn't be able to do that at the moment. Web support is trivial, because Flutter Web allows integrating HTML elements between its UI layers. I can simply insert a canvas there and link that to wgpu.

Here's the repository.

I've started writing my own Flutter shell here that runs on all desktop and mobile systems Flutter supports without any platform-specific code paths. The trick is that I'm delegating the responsibility for platform-specific code to a generic library (winit in this case) and so keep it out of my codebase.

I've started a project for using Rust for a shell using the Flutter Engine's embedder interface, so it’s trivial to integrate Rust into the system. It’s available here.

What I'm currently looking into is using Flutter for UI drawing instead of web tech. It has a built-in compositing API that allows interleaving native drawing with its surfaces and has a Vulkan renderer. The only downside is that you have to write a shell for it that maps the native platform to its APIs, which is very underdocumented and needs a lot of code, for example for handling keyboard input. Here's my progress so far. It comes with shells for all of its supported platforms, but they all use OpenGL or Metal (for iOS/macOS).

I need to check out how well this combines with my Rust-based Flutter shell.

I personally spent a significant part of my spare time in the last few months researching this topic, and came to the conclusion that for my (very similar) project, I'd like to use Flutter and Dart for the UI and Rust with wgpu (maybe bevy) for the rendering backend. I'm working on an integration for native platforms (so everything except web) right now, it's available in earliest alpha here. Web itself is trivial, because you can simply mount a separate canvas as a platformview and use that for wgpu, completely separating the two worlds.

Unfortunately, I'm really busy these days so I don't have any time for any more projects. I'm currently working on this project, which allows using the UI framework Flutter together with wgpu, so I'd say that it's adjacent to your project.

For GUI applications, the story is mixed. There are several GUI frameworks in active development, but nothing as polished and battle-tested as Electron for TypeScript. There are bindings to GTK, but they're cumbersome to work with, and I wouldn't recommend it to a Rust newbie. There's also Tauri, which is a bit like Electron and lets you write the GUI in HTML/CSS/JS and the business logic in Rust.

Concerning GUI frameworks, the most common ones are druid, egui and iced. All three of them run native and on the Web.

Going to give a shoutout to druid. I've recently tried it with the Lapce editor and it's just so smooth, fast and works so well for a pre-alpha app.

As iced and egui were difficult for me, i started with druid.

There is Iced which is used by system76 in Pop!_OS, Druid [DISCONTINUED], GTK-rs, Relm, Azul and Tauri. Personally I would use Tauri for its speed using the OS's native web render, documentation of use with things such as Sveltekit and the ability to make UI's using JS, CSS and HTML. Tauri similarly to Electron whilst being far faster. But its up to personal preference really. There aren't any solid "go to" options at the moment.

Druid should be good for most cases, it has a lot of built-in widget for the UI, you can even make a custom widget with a canvas-alike painting API.

Druid, which is a Rust-native UI toolkit for building desktop applications targeting Windows/macOS/Linux/OpenBSD/FreeBSD, has a new version out - v0.8.

There's a memoize View node in the previous iteration of the Xilem prototype, but it hasn't made it in to the current branch yet. That sounds like what you're asking, but it's possible I'm missing something.

You can use GTK from Rust. But the Rust native ones aren't really there yet. [Iced](https://github.com/iced-rs/iced) which has been picked up by System76 and [Druid](https://github.com/linebender/druid) (and it's next gen version [Xilem](https://github.com/linebender/xilem)) are the ones to watch, along with Dioxus which is the main post here.

I'd expect there to be something useable by the end of 2023.