django-stubs VS PDM

Pyright doesn't work with Django, as Django's so dynamic that it requires a plugin to infer all types correctly. Sadly, even mypy with plugins is a mess to get set up in vscode, especially if you want it to use the same config as you use for ci checks from the command line.

We use mypy + [django-stubs](https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs) (in a huge Django + drf project at day job) which includes a plugin for mypy allowing it to recognize all reverse relations and manager methods. Mypy is still really rough around the edges. The cli args are poorly documented, and how they correspond to declarations in a mypy.ini / pyproject.toml is mysterious. Match-statements still have bugs even a year after release. Exclusion of untyped / partially typed files and packages we've had to solve with grep filtering mypy's output for our whitelisted set of files, as it's been unable to separate properly between errors you care about (in your own codebase) and errors in others code (dependencies, untypable dynamic python packages etc).

The largest issue IMO is that mypy tried to adapt a java / OOP style way of type system onto python, instead of recognizing the language's real power within duck typing and passing structural types around. Typescript chose the right approach here, modelling javascript the way it is actually written, favoring structural over nominal typing, instead of the archaic and now left-behind way of Java-style OOP that has influenced mypy.

There was a recently accepted PEP which allowed for limited dataclass transforms, enough to cover the @attr.s usecase for both mypy and pyright, but nowhere near expressive enough to cover django's models and ORM sadly. It's probably impossible / undesirable to allow for such rich plugins, so i see the future for proper pluginless typing to be more akin to how pydantic / normal dataclasses solve typing, by starting with a specification of the types, deriving its runtime implementation, instead of plugins having to reverse the type representation of a custom DSL.

You can annotate the manager and get some typing help in the editor. And there’s django-stubs which helps a little when running mypy. It’s not as good as pycharm though.

https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs/tree/master

> Yes, there are type stubs for these libraries but they’re either forced to be more strict, preventing use of dynamism, or opt for being less strict but allowing you to use all the library features, at the cost of safety.

There are type stubs for Django that somewhat avoid these compromises: https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs

To be able to do this they have to use a Mypy plugin though. And even then it's still far from perfect.

Mypy together with this plug-in gives you typing for django. https://github.com/TypedDjango/django-stubs

Have you looked at stubs for Django?

# See https://pre-commit.com for more information # See https://pre-commit.com/hooks.html for more hooks repos: - repo: https://github.com/pre-commit/pre-commit-hooks rev: v3.2.0 hooks: - id: trailing-whitespace - id: end-of-file-fixer - id: check-yaml - id: check-toml - id: check-added-large-files - repo: local hooks: - id: tox lint name: tox-validation entry: pdm run tox -e test,lint language: system files: ^src\/.+py$|pyproject.toml|^tests\/.+py$ types_or: [python, toml] pass_filenames: false - id: tox docs name: tox-docs language: system entry: pdm run tox -e docs types_or: [python, rst, toml] files: ^src\/.+py$|pyproject.toml|^docs\/ pass_filenames: false - repo: https://github.com/pdm-project/pdm rev: 2.10.4 # a PDM release exposing the hook hooks: - id: pdm-lock-check - repo: https://github.com/jumanjihouse/pre-commit-hooks rev: 3.0.0 hooks: - id: markdownlint

PDM is a solution that allows for easy creation and management of python projects. Some of the key features that will improve the management of python projects include:

You'd need a proper dependencies management tool like PDM or Poetry to exhaustively resolve and lock down all the transitive dependencies if you want to have anything closed to reproducible build.

Are you working on a Python project that uses pdm for dependency management and dotenv for local environment variable and secrets management? Do you find it frustrating when CLI tools like pgcli don't automatically pick up your .env file, forcing you to resort to npm install -g dotenv-cli? I've got a more convenient solution for you!

I first learned about PDM from a blog post written by one of the PDM contributers. The post was about OOPifying argparse to allow for easy creation/modification of subcommands that exist as their own classes/files, and to avoid maintaining a single long script with an endless number of subparser.add_argument(...) lines.

That's more or less what PEP 582 plans to do, but it's been stalled and mired in discussions for years. The PDM tool went ahead and implemented it though if you want to use it: https://github.com/pdm-project/pdm

pdm – A modern Python package and dependency manager

pdm and PEP 582 enter the chat

I'm liking PDM for a while now. Quicker than Poetry and built according to the Python package spec in mind and not as an afterthought. While it was originally meant to work with PEP 582, it works with virtual environments too (now default).

https://github.com/pdm-project/pdm