deploy_feedback VS Zulip

Hey all, Andy from the Deno team here. We're excited to share with you Deno Subhosting, an easy way to extend your platforms functionality by securely running untrusted JavaScript written by your users.

When we first launched [Deno Deploy](https://deno.com/deploy) in 2021, we were surprised at the volume of requests from companies about getting access to the APIs needed to run Deno Deploy. Many companies wanted to give their users the ability to write custom logic in their app, but setting this up in the cloud presents security concerns and a ton of infra work/maintenance.

We realized that there was an opportunity for Subhosting to solve a larger problem, which is allowing companies to easily and securely run custom code written by their users, without the hassle of maintaining said infrastructure.

Though we do have a few subhosting customers (Netlify being one of them), this launch makes our Subhosting product self-service, so any development team interested in extending their platform via their users' custom code can do so by [signing up](http://dash.deno.com/subhosting/new_auto) and [reading our docs](https://docs.deno.com/deploy/manual/subhosting). We have [an updated pricing model for Subhosting](https://deno.com/deploy/pricing?subhosting) as well, including a generous free tier fit for kicking the tires and building a proof-of-concept.

We'd love to get your feed back. Have you ever talked to your co-workers about allowing external devs to "have at it" with your platform? What would it look like to unlock the final 10% for your top customers? How have you approached this problem in the past?

Thanks for reading and the Deno team will be responding to comments!

[Read the announcement blog post.](https://deno.com/blog/subhosting)

That means we don’t need to transpile the Typescript code to ESM or CJS. Currently, only Deno Deploy can run your Typescript function out of the box. However, in order to keep the code small, we still need some sort of bundling. Luckily, Bun is also a bundler 😉

What type of apps do you code for your day-job? (I program for fun and curiosity, so that is why I ask that lame question.)

Do you use node.js? Deno is brought in part by the Node.js creator, Ryan Dahl, who wanted to fix/improve a lot of things he didn't like in node.js.

They also have "Deno Deploy" (with a free tier) to run your code on different servers scattered throughout the globe: https://deno.com/deploy

One of the reasons I love the `deno` executable is you can use `import` statements in your code and then tell `deno` to merge everything into a single .js file. I would then take that and publish it to Cloudflare Workers. I know you can do this with node.js and a bunch of tools, but it is so much simpler with `deno`.

The online version of DocTrack is hosted through Deno Deploy and is accessible here.

It runs on https://deno.com/deploy which runs on gcp at the moment but my understanding is that the underlying cloud provider could change at any time.

For deployment Deno offers it's own service, Deno Deploy:

https://deno.com/deploy

Disclaimer: Haven't used it yet.

Deno functions. Its different than docker containers that auto scale. https://deno.com/deploy

One of the biggest annoyances with Deno deploy/functions is that there is no way to store any data. This would be very useful to e.g. cache an auth token, store a key/value pair, etc. See also: https://github.com/denoland/deploy_feedback/issues/110

Is any work being done to fix this? Or is this out of scope currently?

One of the valuable features of Solid Start is that you can use so-called "adapters" to completely change the output into something deployable basically everywhere that serves pages and with quite a lot of options: there are adapters for amazon web services, cloudflare pages and workers, deno deploy, netlify, standard node server (the default), vercel, and static deployment - the latter allows us to build something that we can put on github pages.

Zulip — Real-time chat with a unique email-like threading model. The free plan includes 10,000 messages of search history and File storage up to 5 GB. also, it provides a self-hostable open-source version.

(1) Zulip Chat - https://zulip.com/ - seems to be reasonably popular, but more people should know about it

I’ve been using it for over 5 years now [1], and it’s as good as ever. It’s way faster than any other chat app I’ve used. It has a good UI and conversation model. It has a simple and functional API that lets me curl threads and write blog posts based on them.

(only problem is that I Ctrl-+ in my browser to make the font bigger – I think it’s too dense for most people)

(2) re2c regex to state machine compiler - https://re2c.org

A gem from the 90’s, which people have done a great job maintaining and improving (getting Go and Rust target support in the last few years). I started using it in 2016, and used for a new program a few months ago. I came to the conclusion that it should have been built into C, because C has shitty string processing – and Ken Thompson both invented C AND brought regular languages to computing !!

In comparison, treesitter lexers are very low level, fiddly, and error prone. I recently saw dozens of ad hoc fixes to the tree-sitter-bash lexer, which is unsurprising if you look at the structure of the code (manually crawling through backslashes and braces in C).

https://github.com/tree-sitter/tree-sitter-bash/blob/master/...

These fixes are definitely appreciated, but I think it indicates a problem with the model itself.

(based on https://lobste.rs/s/endspx/software_you_are_thankful_for#c_y...)

[1] https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2018/04/26.html

A few more truly in the vibe of open source projects not advertising their hosting providers: https://plane.so/ , https://element.io/ , https://www.loomio.com/ , https://zulip.com/ , and it keeps going... Very few open source projects, in the FOSS sense, are advertising their hosting provider.

I was so excited to see this happen!

I'm not a customer of yours, but your blog posts inspired me a lot. Your journey through quitting caffeine is a great and heartening read.

I've got two things to say;

1) Will you consider source-availabling the web portal (app.keygen.sh) too? Some enterprises could use it for easy management/support for custoner's licenses. Although now that I think about it, it could also discourage custom, more suitable implementations for each use-case... I'm torn on this one. I would like to see it available on GitHub too just out of curiosity too. It's very beautiful.

2) For a team + customers' chat, I cannot recommend Zulip enough. It's a joy to use and has the most innovative chat system I've ever seen. https://zulip.com

I hope your business keeps prospering!

Zulip | Senior Flutter Engineer | REMOTE or San Francisco | Full-time | https://zulip.com/

At Zulip, we’re out to build the world’s best collaboration platform, and we’re committed to keeping it 100% open source. Zulip is the only modern team chat app that is designed for both live and asynchronous conversations. Our product serves as the communication hub for businesses, open-source projects, educators and communities around the world.

We're building the next generation of Zulip's mobile apps in Flutter. We're looking for a senior engineer with Flutter experience to join our small core team and help define the future of team chat. Our Flutter prototype is just a few months old, so this is a greenfield opportunity to help shape the app's architecture from early on.

For full details, check out https://zulip.com/jobs/. Apply at [email protected].

Anyways, I'm an internet stranger, not a social media expert. So let me know what you all think. And if we make a discord or zulip or something to make this a reality, let me know and I'd love to help any way I can.