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clasp
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I Accidentally a Scheme
I accidentally a Common Lisp that interoperates with C++ (https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp.git). We would also like to move beyond BDWGC and Whiffle looks interesting. I will reach out to you and maybe we can chat about it.
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Val, a high-level systems programming language
Clasp might be such a language, it seems.
https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp
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The jank programming language (by Jeaye Wilkerson)
/u/jeaye are you aware of CLASP? https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdXeRBbgDM
- Clasp v2.3.0 · Bytecode compiled images, preliminary Apple Silicon support, LLVM16.
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Proof of Concept clang plugin that automatically binds C/C++ -> Lua
Sounds to me like CLASP; it automatically exports C++ objects to be used from Common Lisp also via llvm.
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Running Lisp in production @ grammarly
Now, the difference of compiling speed of SBCL and CCL is not so big. Look at cl-benchmark, LispWorks is really fast, CCL is on par with Allegro, SBCL is close to CCL. Or https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp/wiki/Relative-Compile-Performance-of-clasp, it depends on specific project (SBCL sometimes faster, slower, alike), overall difference is not big.
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What help is needed for Lisp community in order to make Lisp more popular?
So..
"Why do you want to make Lisp more popular? If you were sucessful, what would be different in the world, and why is that desirable to you?"
Normally at this point I'd listen to the response, and ask more questions based on that. That would wind up with a very, very deep thread, so I'll break a cardinal rule and pre-guess at some answers.
This kind of question comes up pretty frequently. In many cases, I suspect the motivation behind the question is "Wow! Here's this cool tool I've discovered. I want to make something really useful with it. I want to do it as part of a community effort; share my excitement with others, share in their excitement, and know that what I'm making is useful because others find it desirable and are excited by it." The field could be cooking, sports, old machine tools, tiny homes, or demo scene. Its the fundemental driver for most content on HN, YouTube, Instructables, and such. It is a Good Thing.
If that is your motivator, then my suggestion is to find something that bugs you and fix it. You've already decided you're only interested in code, not other aspects. You said you preferred vim, but the emacs ecosystem has a very rich set of sharp edges that need filing off, and a rich set of tools with which to attack them.
One example: even after 50 years there's no open IDE which allows you to easily globally rename a Lisp identifier. I don't know about LispWorks or other proprietary environments, but you can't in emacs or vim do a right-click on "foo" in "(defun foo ()...)" and select a command which automatically renames it in all invocations. [Queue lots of "but you can..." replies here.] I don't think vim is up to the task of doing this internally. It would be possible in emacs; but would require a huge effort with lots of help from other people. If you emerged alive from that rabbit warren you'd join the company of Certified "How Hard Could it Be?" Mad Scientists such as Dr. "I just want to draw molecules" Meister [1] and "Wouldn't an OS in Lisp be Cool" Froggey [2].
[1] https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp
[2] Mezzano https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
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Linux Kernel 6.1 Released with Initial Rust Code
But also, there's a reason why most implementations readily make an effort to provide interoperability tools with a variety of runtimes. Clasp much like ABCL gives access to a whole library of other libraries trivially wrapped to interoperate with at little to no performance to cost (depending on how thin you make the wrappers, mainly).
- Common Lisp Clasp v2.0.0 released
maru
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C Is Not a Low-level Language – Your computer is not a fast PDP-11
Well Forth is possibly the most minimal VM over a platform, as evidenced by openfirmware.
It does have problems scaling though, in that if you've seen one Forth, you've seen one Forth ie. The variations required to fit a platform make them semi-incompatible.
That's not to say that a more lispy Forth wouldn't be useful though, in that a concatenative syntax allows us to pass custom datastructures around like APL, and CPS (delimited continuations with lexically scoped dynamic binding would come from the lisp side (see https://github.com/manuel/wat-js).
Memory management in Forth can handle multiple memory types eg. https://flashforth.com/ so adding something like ref counting (https://github.com/zigalenarcic/minilisp/blob/main/main.c) to handle the dynamic list side of things might mesh well.
In any case, if you're looking for a self hosting lisp that runs on bare metal, https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru has been out for a few years.
- Maru - a tiny self-hosting lisp dialect. Developed as part of Alan Kay's Fundamentals of New Computing.
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About making a self hosting programming language
Take a look at Maru. The github project has links to other similar projects.
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Why can't there be a LISP dialect/system that directly translates to optimal machine code?
That's the idea behind the Maru Project. It's a really cool concept and more people should know about it.
- lisp but small and low level?Does it make sense?
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SubX: A minimalist assembly language for a subset of the x86 ISA
Here's another interesting one I just noticed:
https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru/blob/maru.10/source/a...
What are some alternatives?
Wren - The Wren Programming Language. Wren is a small, fast, class-based concurrent scripting language.
Carp - A statically typed lisp, without a GC, for real-time applications.
gdb-dashboard - Modular visual interface for GDB in Python
femtolisp - a lightweight, robust, scheme-like lisp implementation
CL-CXX-JIT - Common Lisp and CXX interoperation with JIT
flpc - Forth Lisp Python Continuum: A small highly dynamic self-bootstrapping language
graalvm-clojure - This project contains a set of "hello world" projects to verify which Clojure libraries do actually compile and produce native images under GraalVM.
sectorlisp - Bootstrapping LISP in a Boot Sector
SICL - A fresh implementation of Common Lisp
cosmopolitan - build-once run-anywhere c library
immer - Postmodern immutable and persistent data structures for C++ — value semantics at scale
mu - Soul of a tiny new machine. More thorough tests → More comprehensible and rewrite-friendly software → More resilient society.