biff VS hissp

I definitely believe Clojure needs a rails. Not only will it help beginners get started, if it can help people get started faster and build fast like Django and rails do, I think it'll help more with adoption.

Biff and fulcro seems like they have a shot at this

Biff- https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff

Fulcro - https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro

Jacob is doing a fantastic job with https://biffweb.com/ If the Clojure community would focus more of its manpower on such projects, then I think we can make Clojure the obvious choice to start a software business, by saving an insane amount of time. And time is by far the scarcest resource in a startup.

If you can get away with not using React, I highly recommend Biff. It uses XTDB and Rum by default but they can be swapped out pretty easily for Postgres and Reagent. I'm planning to publish some docs on how to do that when I have a chance.

The best one of these imo is https://biffweb.com

I'm also really liking the strategy of the old-school is new again with sever side rendering serving actual HTML instead of JSON for certain things, using HTMX, an example can be found here: https://biffweb.com/

Take a look at Biff project https://biffweb.com/

+1 for Malli and XT! For the relevant parts of Biff, see the example app's schema and the transaction reference docs. Biff has its own transaction format which includes schema checks via malli and various other conveniences, and it gets translated into XT's lower-level transaction format. Might provide some inspiration at least.

Rum is used throughout, though mostly via middleware[1], so you (almost) never see any calls to `rum.core/render-static-markup`. But all of the hiccup-style data structures (`[:div "foo"]`, etc) do get rendered by Rum.

htmx doesn't render anything on the backend; rather it gives the frontend more ways to interact with the backend. e.g. say you make an inline form--htmx gives you the ability to display/submit that form without refreshing the entire page, but all the html that's sent to the frontend is still getting rendered first by Rum.

[1] See https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff/blob/6353c406adef034448... and https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff/blob/6353c406adef034448...

Hissp is a Python library that can compile a whole program into one Python expression.

If you want Python to be as customizable as Lissp, check out Hissp (and Hebigo).

Hissp is really cool for metaprogramming Python. There's also macropy, but it's harder to use.

I prefer https://github.com/gilch/hissp, where Hy has to use shims to pretend statements are expressions, Hissp just targets the expression subset in the first place. (though as you mentioned, hy has a lot of literature and support around it, where as you're going to have to find your own way around hissp)

No shortage of options, e.g. Dg, Mochi, Coconut, and Hebigo (based on Hissp[1]).

[1]: https://github.com/gilch/hissp

If you want Lisp metaprogramming plus Python ecosystem, check out Hissp

Hissp is really interesting. Read through the docs and you'll understand Python more deeply. It works well with Toolz and Pyrsistent.