awesome-clojure-likes VS janet

I really sympathize here, Clojure is such a cool kid. Unfortunately, I did not find a satisfying clojure-like langage, here is a good list of similar or inspired langages : https://github.com/chr15m/awesome-clojure-likes

I think Clojure will be a very hard language to supersede. Lisp syntax in general is not very common, so lots of people dismiss it just because of that. The ones that don't, usually look on programming languages differently, and won't leave Clojure unless a serious contender with a seriously awesome team behind it pops up, which since I started doing Clojure (~2010) hasn't happened yet and seems unlikely to happen.

Although there are some nice efforts on getting wider support for Clojure. Babashka is one of my favorite projects, that leverages SCI (Small Clojure Intreper) and GraalVM to build a subset of Clojure that can startup much faster, making Clojure suitable for CLIs and desktop apps.

Then we have the Clojure-like languages that takes the best ideas of Clojure with some differences and different runtimes. Joker comes to mind as one of those. Here are some others: https://github.com/chr15m/awesome-clojure-likes

I also think ClojureScript is still a hidden gem in the frontend world. Now with the rise of shadowcljs, it becomes easier to get started, which is seemingly super important for the JS world (rather than focus on longterm experience, first timer experience is the focus), so more people will see the strength in Clojure for client-side clients, especially if the data structures you're dealing with is coming from 3rd party clients instead of you making them up on the backend.

All in all, Clojure will be hard to replace, but definitely not impossible, it'll just take a lot. For now, Clojure is the king on the hill, with it's small versions eating up some smaller hills. In my view, it's time has yet to come.

Seems like a perfect use-case for Janet. (https://janet-lang.org/) A fast minimal VM like Lua, but even more extensible than Lua by being a "Lisp" with macro and C extension capabilities. Not a true Lisp, it's very pragmatic and performance-oriented. But it keeps the good stuff.

You might be looking for: https://janet-lang.org/

It comes with a build tool `jpm` which installs dependencies globally by default, but you can have it be installed in your project folder as well.

I like Clojure, but I never had any good opportunities to use it other than for a few small hobby projects. It is unfortunate that it is so huge with tons of dependencies and no simpler native implementation. I started looking at various LISPs and Schemes to find something lighter to use instead and ended up settling for Janet that I think is Clojure-like enough to be comfortable to use, but in a small native binary with no dependencies and can be embedded in other native programs. I am sure for big, real, projects that Clojure makes more sense, but for my hobby projects and scripts I do not think I will install it again. I am still happy for the things I learned from learning Clojure. It was a real eye-opener for an old OO-programmer.

https://janet-lang.org/

One might also check out Janet for quick scripting tasks.

https://janet-lang.org

Thanks!

I thought about another multiplatform, homoiconic, highly compact language: https://janet-lang.org/ (takes 803 kb on my machine).

It has no types though.

Racket is great, and if you like it you might find Rash interesting:

https://rash-lang.org/

Janet and Gerbil Scheme are also worth a look:

https://janet-lang.org/

https://cons.io/

Point here is that, for instance Janet language does not have cons / pair type but tuple (and so is lispoid, not lisp), but clearly this is sufficient for macros & hence seamless language construction: all you need is to be a lispoid although being a lisp gives another useful feature.