TensorRT VS llama.cpp

> It's not rocket science to implement matrix multiplication in any GPU.

You're right, it's harder. Saying this as someone who's done more work on the former than the latter. (I have, with a team, built a rocket engine. And not your school or backyard project size, but nozzle bigger than your face kind. I've also written CUDA kernels and boy is there a big learning curve to the latter that you gotta fundamentally rethink how you view a problem. It's unquestionable why CUDA devs are paid so much. Really it's only questionable why they aren't paid more)

I know it is easy to think this problem is easy, it really looks that way. But there's an incredible amount of optimization that goes into all of this and that's what's really hard. You aren't going to get away with just N for loops for a tensor rank N. You got to chop the data up, be intelligent about it, manage memory, how you load memory, handle many data types, take into consideration different results for different FMA operations, and a whole lot more. There's a whole lot of non-obvious things that result in high optimization (maybe obvious __after__ the fact, but that's not truthfully "obvious"). The thing is, the space is so well researched and implemented that you can't get away with naive implementations, you have to be on the bleeding edge.

Then you have to do that and make it reasonably usable for the programmer too, abstracting away all of that. Cuda also has a huge head start and momentum is not a force to be reckoned with (pun intended).

Look at TensorRT[0]. The software isn't even complete and it still isn't going to cover all neural networks on all GPUs. I've had stuff work on a V100 and H100 but not an A100, then later get fixed. They even have the "Apple Advantage" in that they have control of the hardware. I'm not certain AMD will have the same advantage. We talk a lot about the difficulties of being first mover, but I think we can also recognize that momentum is an advantage of being first mover. And it isn't one to scoff at.

[0] https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT

(python demo_txt2img.py "a beautiful photograph of Mt. Fuji during cherry blossom"). https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT/tree/release/8.6/demo/Diffusion

- https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT

TVM and other compiler-based approaches seem to really perform really well and make supporting different backends really easy. A good friend who's been in this space for a while told me llama.cpp is sort of a "hand crafted" version of what these compilers could output, which I think speaks to the craftmanship Georgi and the ggml team have put into llama.cpp, but also the opportunity to "compile" versions of llama.cpp for other model architectures or platforms.

https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT/issues/982

Maybe? Looks like tensorRT does work, but I couldn't find much.

highly optimized transformer-based encoder and decoder component, supported on pytorch, tensorflow and triton

TensorRT, custom ml framework/ inference runtime from nvidia, https://developer.nvidia.com/tensorrt, but you have to port your models

It uses the nvidia demo code from: https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT/tree/main/demo/Diffusion

The traditional way to deploy a model is to export it to Onnx, then to TensorRT plan format. Each step requires its own tooling, its own mental model, and may raise some issues. The most annoying thing is that you need Microsoft or Nvidia support to get the best performances, and sometimes model support takes time. For instance, T5, a model released in 2019, is not yet correctly supported on TensorRT, in particular K/V cache is missing (soon it will be according to TensorRT maintainers, but I wrote the very same thing almost 1 year ago and then 4 months ago so… I don’t know).

I've tried to speed it up with TensorRT and followed this example: https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT/blob/main/demo/HuggingFace/notebooks/t5.ipynb - it does give considerable speedup for batch-size=1 but it does not work with bigger batch sizes, which is useless as I can simply increase the batch-size of HuggingFace model.

well https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/issues/6849

Have just done this recently for local chat with pdf feature in https://recurse.chat. (It's a macOS app that has built-in llama.cpp server and local vector database)

Running an embedding server locally is pretty straightforward:

- Get llama.cpp release binary: https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/releases

Ah, thanks for this! I can't edit my parent comment that you replied to any longer unfortunately.

As I said, I only compared the contributors graphs [0] and checked for overlaps. But those apparently only go back about year and only list at most 100 contributors ranked by number of commits.

[0]: https://github.com/ollama/ollama/graphs/contributors and https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/graphs/contributors

KodiBot is a desktop app that enables users to run their own AI chat assistants locally and offline on Windows, Mac, and Linux operating systems. KodiBot is a standalone app and does not require an internet connection or additional dependencies to run local chat assistants. It supports both Llama.cpp compatible models and OpenAI API.

There are already some implementations out there which attempt to accomplish this!

Here's an example: https://github.com/silphendio/sliced_llama

A gist pertaining to said example: https://gist.github.com/silphendio/535cd9c1821aa1290aa10d587...

Here's a discussion about integrating this capability with ExLlama: https://github.com/turboderp/exllamav2/pull/275

And same as above but for llama.cpp: https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/issues/4718#issuecomm...

For those who might not be aware of this, there is also an open source project on GitHub called "Twinny" which is an offline Visual Studio Code plugin equivalent to Copilot: https://github.com/rjmacarthy/twinny

It can be used with a number of local model services. Currently for my setup on a NVIDIA 4090, I'm running both the base and instruct model for deepseek-coder 6.7b using 5_K_M Quantization GGUF files (for performance) through llama.cpp "server" where the base model is for completions and the instruct model for chat interactions.

llama.cpp: https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/

deepseek-coder 6.7b base GGUF files: https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/deepseek-coder-6.7B-base-GGU...

deepseek-coder 6.7b instruct GGUF files: https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/deepseek-coder-6.7B-instruct...