HPI VS hacker-news-undocumented

If this is interesting to you, you should check out the interesting work that karlicoss and others have done with "Human Programming Interface" [0] / [1].

I've been kicking this idea around for quite a few years and have gone through multiple iterations before finding HPI and tossing out all my work in favor of building off theirs.

HPI is a great platform to build your own stuff off and benefit from all the work that has already been done because imo building a good foundation is the hardest part. Sean Breckenridge's HPI-API is super interesting and useful, could likely be worked into this search engine concept, quite sure Sean actually has both newsboat and Firefox modules already made.

I wrote modules of my own and made an authentication wrapped HPI-API and a GraphQL instance but currently in the middle of an infra move so nothing super cool to show off.

Lots of interesting stuff in collecting and leveraging your data. If any of this stuff catches your eye, I highly encourage browsing karlicoss' exobrain [2] because there are some interesting things in there.

[0]: https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI

[1]: my own stuff, not trying to step on Karli, just wanted a 3 letter org for my stuff: https://github.com/hpi

[2]: https://beepb00p.xyz/myinfra.html

My version of this: Human Programming Interface https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI

It's a bit heavier on the automatic data aggregation side, but has some manual inputs as data sources too.

This is my approach!

I'm using HPI [0] as a sort of universal API for almost all of my data (manual notes, bookmarks, instant messages, internet comments, etc)

Then I use it in tools like Orger [1] and Promnesia [2] which function as my second brain

[0] https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI

[1] https://github.com/karlicoss/orger

[2] https://beepb00p.xyz/promnesia.html

I suppose HPI[0] kind of is that? ;)

A community repository would be super nice for those. Something along the lines of DefinitelyTyped[1], all managed through git, easily integrates with other stuff (like shown on npmjs.org when the @types package exists), allows maintainers to "own" the adapters they contribute. It's really the N adapters * T time per adapter that really makes it hard for one person to do. That plus monitoring API changes/flakiness of each adapter to make sure the data is still solid.

[0] https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI

[1] https://github.com/DefinitelyTyped/DefinitelyTyped

I'm working on tools/projects to unify, access, interact and use my personal data for quantified self, knowledge management, etc.

A couple of examples:

- https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI#readme

- https://github.com/karlicoss/promnesia#readme

Would very much love to discuss it with other people, collaborate etc.

Emacs is born as a human-computer interface, not specifically a PIM/PKM systems (Personal Information Management systems, Personal Knowledge Management systems), those are born at Xerox Parc and they never really took off, unfortunately. You can find a small intro like https://doi.org/10.1145/1480506.1480524 you can find many research articles and thesis on the ACM and other places, try https://karl-voit.at/tagstore/downloads/Voit2011.pdf by /u/publicvoit today in Emacs the most popular of such systems in org-roam, a wrapper/accessing tool for org-mode, witch is probably one of the most powerful, Memacs is another classic one that do something more and something less, Dimitri Gerasimov have it's own public HPI https://beepb00p.xyz/hpi.html with Grasp and Promnesia extensions for Emacs and probably many others do exists but they are used/developed by a small community and while in the "old" wiki book before, "personal note/evernote boom", now "zettelkasten boom" interest keep being there documentation especially at newcomer level is nearly zero... There are research papers, few whole books, tons of articles, but nothing like a complete and simple learning path...

Their author have developed a more complex script collection (HPI, https://beepb00p.xyz/hpi.html) witch is a bit confuse, but seems alive and for certain aspects do extra things then memacs (https://github.com/novoid/Memacs).

Side note: His Promnesia and HPI projects are just mind blowing!

Some of my favourites:

- "5. Life engine" and "92. Personal Data API"

   I'm working on this in "Human Programming Interface" :) https://github.com/karlicoss/HPI#readme It's far from solving these in general, but it works for me very well.

Post with text insted of an URL get a penalty, so it's more difficult that they reach the front page (unofficial faq with more details https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented?tab=re... )

My suggestion is to repost the link in a new submission (URL only, empty text), and add your explanation as as a comment.

> it's hard to engage without understanding the rules.

On the other hand, if you fully understand them it’s easier for spammers to circumvent them and changes would have to be done way slower (because they’d have to be documented every time).

You’ll sometimes find posts by dang explaining various policies, and there are some sources which try to document the undocumented:

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented?tab=re...

It is my understanding some websites (like dev.to) are automatically killed due to a prevalence of low quality posts. But users with showed enabled can still see those and vouch for them, which brings them back alive. Posts may also be flagged by users for a variety of reasons such as the subject having been posted and discussed multiple times in the last few days, essentially making the new post a duplicate.

Hacker News is extremely strongly manipulated. What users see as popularity order is actually the order edited to the moderators' liking.

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#behavi...

https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod

Are there more?

[0]https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/lists

[?]https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+...

>30 karma, same as flagging: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented?tab=re...

More things in the unofficial feature list maintained by minimaxir https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented

Unfortunately it still doesn't mention "rate limited" accounts[0], which is extremely confusing when it happens to you. It's happened to me on this account, I can't comment more than 5 times per some arbitrary period - I'm guessing 24 hour UTC.

No explanation or information is given - you don't even know until HN seems broken and you go searching. dang mentioned that's something they'd like to impove, but given the slow movement of HN features, I doubt it will.

Note that none of this is meant as a slight on dang - I respect the work he does and really like the site, but it doesn't make it less frustrating. The result will be me rolling a new account (against site guidelines), as I have no other privacy preserving way of handling the issue.

0. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/issues...

Post with an URL in the text are penalized and it is harder for them to reach the front page. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...

Not me, because I can't yet, but I can shed some light.

That comment brings nothing to the table. An upvote would have given the same meaning. This is not reddit, and some of us would prefer it to remain different. Low effort comments tend to be downvoted, and interesting ones upvoted.

So uplift your comments, say why you are thankful, what will be your use case, where you wouldn't use the OPs icons, ... give some information, not just noise.

Here [0] is some more information about downvotes.

[0] https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#downvo...