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How do you think about version number management?
- it is possible to subscribe on the changes using RSS (this is a feature of the 40ANTS-DOC documentation builder).
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From Common Lisp to Julia
So, the article is harsh on CL: YMMV. Also, your goal may vary: I want to build and ship (web) applications, and so far Julia doesn't look attractive to me (at all). Super fast incremental development, build a standalone binary and deploy on my VPS or ship an Electron window? done. Problem(s) solved, let's focus on my app please.
The author doesn't mention a few helpful things:
- editor support: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht... Emacs is first class, Portacle is an Emacs easy to install (3 clicks), Vim, Atom support is (was?) very good, Sublime Text seems good (it has an interactive debugger with stack frame inspection), VSCode sees good work underway, the Alive extension is new, usable but hard to install yet, LispWorks is proprietary and is more like Smalltalk, with many graphical windows to inspect your running application, Geany has simple and experimental support, Eclipse has basic support, Lem is a general purpose editor written in CL, it is Emacs-like and poorely documented :( we have Jupyter notebooks and simpler terminal-based interactive REPLs: cl-repl is like ipython.
So, one could complain five years ago easily about the lack of editor support, know your complaint should be more evolved than a Emacs/Vim dichotomy.
- package managers: Quicklisp is great, very slick and the ecosystem is very stable. When/if you encounter its limitations, you can use: Ultralisp, a Quicklisp distribution that ships every 5 minutes (but it doesn't check that all packages load correctly together), Qlot is used for project-local dependencies, where you pin each one precisely, CLPM is a new package manager that fixes some (all?) Quicklisp limitations
> [unicode, threading, GC…] All of these features are left to be implemented by third-party libraries
this leads to think that no implementation implements unicode or threading support O_o
> most of the language proper is not generic
mention generic-cl? https://github.com/alex-gutev/generic-cl/ (tried quickly, not intensively)
Documentation: fair points, but improving etc. Example of a new doc generator: https://40ants.com/doc/
Also I'd welcome a discussion about Coalton (Haskell-like type system on top of CL).
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Kons-9 update – 3D Common Lisp system now on MacOS and Linux
Great news! Feedback: I guess it's time to start working on documentation ;) The readme doesn't say what the system does. I guess you could maintain a high overview "manually", and in parallel set up a documentation system (40ants doc is kinda cool). Best,
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Favorite Lisp project? Shameless plugs welcome & encouraged!
- and 40ANTS-DOC builder.
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Why Turtl Switched from Common Lisp to JavaScript
That is why I've put about half of this year into the Common Lisp documentation generator for all of my libraries.
If you are interested, please read it's docs and join the effort of making good documentation for CL projects: https://40ants.com/doc/
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CL-TAR Project
And the doc is built with the new https://40ants.com/doc 🎉 Really cool.
- Does everyone here manually specify the entire project's dependency tree in .asd files?
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Does anyone use vim for lisp dev?
I use Vim with slimv, and have for years.
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Portacle - Does it have auto indent?
Maybe you should stick to one new thing at a time. Vim is more than capable of handling Common Lisp. Look at Slimv and Vlime for vim-style SLIME. Focus on CL first. You can come back to Doom / Emacs later.
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What is to go-to environment on Windows for Common LISP development?
Neovim works just fine. I use Neoterm to send-to-repl, here's what my config looks like. Your other options include vlime and slimv. I switched to neoterm because it's simple, explicit, and doesn't create unpredictable windows. Works for any other language just as well.
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From Common Lisp to Julia
https://GitHub.com/jpalardy/vim-slime is a terrible SLIME to be honest! It is not even a SLIME. It just This does not look like SLIME. It just copies text from one text buffer and paste it to another Vim buffer which is probably running a REPL. "Probably" because who knows what the target buffer is running. vim-slime does not care. This is not Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for $EDITOR (SLIME) in any way.
vim-slime does not connect to any Swank server. It does not understanding Lisp s-expressions. It would happily copy any random text into any random REPL and call it job done! Lisp interaction mode is much much more than just copying and pasting text around. A superior lisp interaction mode gives you live debugging, handling conditions, inspecting variables, navigating the stack frames, ... Vim-slime cannot do anything like this because, well, it just copy-pastes stuff around. Vim-slime is a disingenious and misleading name for a project that is not SLIME.
If you really want to use Vim, do yourself a favor and use https://github.com/kovisoft/slimv and experience a true Lisp interaction mode.
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Common Lisp vs Racket
Join me vim brother and don't settle for forcing yourself to use emacs while developing in CL when you don't have to! You even have two vim options! https://github.com/kovisoft/slimv and https://github.com/vlime/vlime with a great comparison of the two: https://susam.net/blog/lisp-in-vim.html
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Is SLIME setup possible for Vim?
I've seen SLIMV recommended as a SLIME alternative for Vim. Like SLIME, SLIMV is a SWANK client.
- Slimv – Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Vim (“Slime for Vim”)
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What would you consider a modern lisp workflow/toolchain?
I found Vlime to be more updated than slimv and give a smoother experience. With time I've switched to bare neoterm which I highly recommend. CL and lisps in general are designed with a text repl in mind, so this is the method that is guaranteed to work on every obscure CL distribution, and also transfer well to any other REPL-based languages.
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Opening and running functions in Portacle
If you are already familiar with vim you may want to use slimv
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Is anyone programming in lisp?
You need Parinfer. Several versions are available for Vim. It's easier to learn than Paredit and works better with Vim-style editing anyway. Lisp emphasizes interactivity with the REPL. It helps if you can send forms you're editing to the REPL for testing. Try something like slimv.
What are some alternatives?
wookie - Asynchronous HTTP server in common lisp
vlime - A Common Lisp dev environment for Vim (and Neovim)
woo - A fast non-blocking HTTP server on top of libev
w3m.vim - w3m plugin for vim
cl-lsp - An implementation of the Language Server Protocol for Common Lisp
paredit.vim - Paredit Mode: Structured Editing of Lisp S-expressions
weblocks - This fork was created to experiment with some refactorings. They are collected in branch "reblocks".
vim-sexp-mappings-for-regular-people - vim-sexp mappings for regular people
cl-permutation - Permutations and permutation groups in Common Lisp.
doom-emacs - An Emacs framework for the stubborn martian hacker [Moved to: https://github.com/doomemacs/doomemacs]
LispSyntax.jl - lisp-like syntax in julia
awesome-cl - A curated list of awesome Common Lisp frameworks, libraries and other shiny stuff.