walex VS neon

The WAL CDC approach: https://github.com/cpursley/walex?tab=readme-ov-file#publica...

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What do you mean testing with processes?

I won't suggest these are the best written tests, but I test various processes, supervisors, etc like this:

https://github.com/cpursley/walex/blob/master/test/walex/sup...

You don’t send the entire WAL, just what you subscribe to - and you can even filter via SQL: https://github.com/cpursley/walex?tab=readme-ov-file#publica...

What we do is much if the business logic in Postgres. But then there’s all the other stuff like external integrations, etc.

We handled that by having an Even system built on the Postgres WAL that we use like a callback system.

I put together a little library in Elixir (that originally started out as forked Supabase realtime) for this:

https://github.com/cpursley/walex

Recently added the ability to configure WalEx to forward events to webhooks or EventRelay (so you don’t need to know Elixir).

If you're using Elixir, check out https://github.com/cpursley/walex

I've actually been thinking about turning this idea into a product where you can just point it at your postgres database and select the tables you want to listen to (with filters, like you describe). And have that forwarded to a webhook (with possibility of other protocols).

I'd love to hear folks thoughts on that (and if it would be something people would pay for).

Neat, this is the pattern I've been thinking about for a while now. Also glad to see this is Elixir based.

I've been using https://github.com/cpursley/walex (basically a fork of cainophile via a fork for subabase) to listen to Postgres changes in Elixir.

https://github.com/cpursley/walex

Which is based on WAL logs and doesnt have the same limitations.

Great writeup, just added this to the WalEx readme:

https://github.com/cpursley/walex

(WalEx is an Elixir lib for listening to the WAL and perform callback-like actions with the data)

Very cool.

I'm using Elixir to listen to change events via https://github.com/cpursley/walex (which I basically ripped off from Supabase).

Such is the case with Neon, a serverless Postgres service, that went generally available on April 15. Congrats Nikita Shamgunov and team on the launch. When I saw the announcement, I knew I had to try it out for myself and report back with my findings.

I want to use this as a chance to bring attention to a GitHub issue that I think would help reduce friction for Neon:

https://github.com/neondatabase/neon/issues/4989

If the Neon driver were to allow us to easily pass in a localhost connection, the development and test experience would be easier. Perhaps Neon could swap to something like this internally: https://github.com/porsager/postgres.

Having run a local dev environment connected to Neon and tests connected to Neon got in our way of adoption. We'd prefer to develop and run tests against a regular Postgres localhost database.

To the PMs of Neon, put yourself in the shoes of a new developer thinking of giving Neon a try. What changes will I have to make to my code and my development workflow?

Neon is an open source and cloud-native serverless database platform that focuses on simplicity and ease of use. It supports Postgres databases and offers built-in features like bottomless storage, autoscaling, and branching.

For MySQL, we've got PlanetScale, and for PostgreSQL, there's Neon.

8. https://neon.tech/As you might know not one tool fits all, I still have strong preferences for the following. It helps me get going faster and get things done right first time and helps in ease of maintenance.

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Migrated away when they removed the free tier, ended up using https://neon.tech/

Cool! At Neon[0], I work full time on our custom postgres proxy[1]. It's a very nice protocol to work with, although our usecase is quite a bit more complex compared to the ideas presented in the post.

Neon databases scale to zero, so the proxy needs to spin up databases on the fly. The proxy doesn't do that but it knows if the databases is running and asks our control plane to schedule it if it isn't. It's a fun service to maintain.

The biggest pain is error handling. Postgres is really bad for error messages and codes. The only available code we can use is usually protocol violation...

[0]: https://neon.tech/

Neon - PostgreSQL

For those looking for alternatives check out https://neon.tech/, https://turso.tech/ and https://developers.cloudflare.com/d1/.