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vello
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Rive Renderer – now open source and available on all platforms
I'm looking forward to doing careful benchmarking, as this renderer absolutely looks like it will be competitive. It turns out that is really hard to do, if you want meaningful results.
My initial take is that performance will be pretty dependent on hardware, in particular support for pixel local storage[1]. From what I've seen so far, Apple Silicon is the sweet spot, as there is hardware support for binning and sorting to tiles, and then asking for fragment shader execution to be serialized within a tile works well. On other hardware, I expect the cost of serializing those invocations to be much higher.
One reason we haven't done deep benchmarking on the Vello side is that our performance story is far from done. We know one current issue is the use of device atomics for aggregating bounding boxes. We have a prototype implementation [2] that uses monoids for segmented reduction. Additionally, we plan to do f16 math (which should be a major win especially on mobile), as well as using subgroups for various prefix sum steps (subgroups are in the process of landing in WebGPU[3]).
Overall, I'm thrilled to see this released as open source, and that there's so much activity in fast GPU vector graphics rendering. I'd love to see a future in which CPU path rendering is seen as being behind the times, and this moves us closer to that future.
[1]: https://dawn.googlesource.com/dawn/+/refs/heads/main/docs/da...
[2]: https://github.com/linebender/vello/issues/259
[3]: https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/4306
- WebKit Switching to Skia for 2D Graphics Rendering
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Looking for this. html + css rendering through wgpu.
Dioxus is working on this with blitz. It's leveraging wgpu through the linebender group's Vello renderer. Still in early stages.
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A note on Metal shader converter
If you're doing advanced compute work (including lock-free data structures), then it's best effort.
https://github.com/linebender/vello/issues/42 is an issue from when Vello (then piet-gpu) had a single-pass prefix sum algorithm. Looking back, I'm fairly confident that it's a shader translation issue and that it wouldn't work with MoltenVK either, but we stopped investigating when we moved to a more robustly portable approach.
- Vello: An experimental WebGPU-based compute-centric 2D renderer in Rust
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XUL Layout has been removed from Firefox
There are a number of up-and-coming Rust-based frameworks in this niche:
- https://github.com/iced-rs/iced (probably the most usable today)
- https://github.com/vizia/vizia
- https://github.com/marc2332/freya
- https://github.com/linebender/xilem (currently very incomplete but exciting because it's from a team with a strong track record)
What is also exciting to me is that the Rust GUI ecosystem is in many cases building itself up with modular libraries. So while we have umpteen competing frameworks they are to a large degree all building and collaborating on the same foundations. For example, we have:
- https://github.com/rust-windowing/winit (cross-platform window creation)
- https://github.com/gfx-rs/wgpu (abstraction on top of vulkan/metal/dx12)
- https://github.com/linebender/vello (a canvas like imperative drawing API on top of wgpu)
- https://github.com/DioxusLabs/taffy (UI layout algorithms)
- https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-text (text rendering and editing)
- https://github.com/AccessKit/accesskit (cross-platform accessibility APIs)
In many cases there a see https://blessed.rs/crates#section-graphics-subsection-gui for a more complete list of frameworks and foundational libraries)
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Drawing and Annotation in Rust
blessed.rs lists these three crates for 2D drawing: - https://lib.rs/crates/femtovg - https://lib.rs/crates/skia-safe - https://github.com/linebender/vello
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Recommended UI framework to draw many 2D lines?
Vello (https://github.com/linebender/vello) which uses wgpu to render Edit: just saw you require images. Vello doesn't support those yet
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Announcing piet-glow, a GL-based implementation of Piet for 2D rendering
How does this relate to Vello? Both target raw-window-handle for winit compatibility. Vello uses WGPU vs piet-glow using GL.
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Is WGPU actually a good idea yet?
Finally, maybe vello could help you with ideas. It's not production ready yet, but they have some interesting ideas for 2D rendering using wgpu.
sciter
- Show HN: Open Source TailwindCSS UI Components
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Show HN: Dropflow, a CSS layout engine for node or <canvas>
> wondering if css and svg could be used as abstraction over graphics and UI libraries
There's another project called Sciter that uses CSS to target native graphics libraries: https://sciter.com
> I wonder how hard it was to implement css. I've heard it can be pretty complex.
It was hard, but the biggest barrier is the obscurity of the knowledge.
Text layout is the hardest, because working with glyphs and iterating them in reverse for RTL is brain-breaking. And line wrapping gets really complicated. It's also the most obscure because nobody has written down everything you need to know in one place. After I finished block layout early on, I had to stop for a couple of years (only working a few hours a week though) and learn all of the ins, outs, dos, and don'ts around shaping and itemizing text. A lot of that I learned by reading Pango's [1] source code, and a lot I pieced together from Google searches.
But other than that, the W3C specifications cover almost everything. The CSS2 standard [2] is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. It's internally consistent, concise, and obviously the result of years of deliberation, trial and error. (CSS3 is great, but CSS2 is the bedrock for everything).
[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/
- Ask HN: Fastest cross-platform GUI stack/strategy
- Bringing Back Horizontal Rules in HTML Select Elements
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Immediate Mode GUI Programming
otherwise, if we have only retained mode as in browsers, we will need to modify the DOM heavily and create temporary elements for handles.
[1] https://sciter.com
- This year in Servo: over 1000 pull requests and beyond
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Rusty revenant Servo returns to render once more
I've still never used it but I've long been curious about Sciter:
https://sciter.com
- Ode to the M1
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So you want to write a GUI framework (2021)
These bullet points are exactly what I did in Sciter (https://sciter.com)
- Windowing
-- Tabs
-- Menus
-- Painting
-- Animation
-- Text
-The compositor
-Handling input
-- Pointer input
-- Keyboard input
- Accessibility
- Internationalization and localization
- Cross-platform APIs
- The web view
- Native look and feel
On top of that DOM and CSS implementations to achieve declarative UI. And JS as a languuage behind UI - declarative in some sense way of defining UI behavior.
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Servo, the parallel browser engine written in Rust
I'm not sure if it can support all the libraries but yes it can be used to make desktop apps. Theres also Sciter.
https://sciter.com/
What are some alternatives?
nanovg - Antialiased 2D vector drawing library on top of OpenGL for UI and visualizations.
webview - Tiny cross-platform webview library for C/C++. Uses WebKit (GTK/Cocoa) and Edge WebView2 (Windows).
msdfgen - Multi-channel signed distance field generator
qt - Qt binding for Go (Golang) with support for Windows / macOS / Linux / FreeBSD / Android / iOS / Sailfish OS / Raspberry Pi / AsteroidOS / Ubuntu Touch / JavaScript / WebAssembly
Vrmac - Vrmac Graphics, a cross-platform graphics library for .NET. Supports 3D, 2D, and accelerated video playback. Works on Windows 10 and Raspberry Pi4.
tauri - Build smaller, faster, and more secure desktop applications with a web frontend.
troika - A JavaScript framework for interactive 3D and 2D visualizations
flexboard - React component library for re-sizable sidebars
tinyraytracer - A brief computer graphics / rendering course
RmlUi - RmlUi - The HTML/CSS User Interface library evolved
gpuweb - Where the GPU for the Web work happens!
NanoGUI - Minimalistic GUI library for OpenGL