umurmur VS element-x-ios

Compare umurmur vs element-x-ios and see what are their differences.

element-x-ios

Next generation Matrix client for iOS built with SwiftUI on top of matrix-rust-sdk. (by element-hq)
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umurmur element-x-ios
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0.0 9.9
about 1 year ago 4 days ago
C Swift
BSD 3-clause "New" or "Revised" License Apache License 2.0
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umurmur

Posts with mentions or reviews of umurmur. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-04-19.
  • VoRS: Vo(IP) Simple Alternative to Mumble
    15 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 19 Apr 2024
    >...its server side is still written on Qt, which requires hundreds of megabytes of additional libraries to build it up.

    See:

    https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur

  • Ask HN: Why are so many OSS communities on Discord?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 23 Sep 2023
    I've tried to make this argument in the past and gained no traction. What I did instead was to create self hosted chat things as a fallback for the times when Discord or Slack have a green status page but their applications fail to operate. Even light-weight daemons like uMurmur [1] or devzat ssh-chat can be handy in a time of need if a quorum know to fall back to it. Self hosted tools are also handy when one wants to share links or text that should not be on 3rd party sites forever and for eternity

    [1] - https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur/wiki/Configuration

    [2] - https://github.com/quackduck/devzat

  • Ask HN: Why isn't WiFi calling free?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Mar 2023
    Adding a more private self hosted option, there is uMurmur [1] which is light-weight enough to run on a Linux router. One of the mobile apps that works with it is Mumla.

    There is of course the full blown Murmur [2] install that works a little more like Discord in that people can create channels and there is a permission system.

    [1] - https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur/wiki/Configuration

    [2] - https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page

  • Matrix 2.0: How we’re making Matrix go voom
    28 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 13 Feb 2023
    For the other layers one can front-end IRC with TheLounge [1][2] or Convos [3][4]. TheLounge only persists history in private mode meaning that users are created in that front-end and chat messages are in Redis. For small networks or groups of friends this is probably fine.

    Notably missing is voice chat. I use the Mumble client [5] with the Murmur or uMurmur [6] server which is light-weight enough to run on ones home router. I use it on Alpine Linux, works great. It's not a shiny and attention grabbing as Discord but probably fine for everyone else. For people to create their own voice channels would require the full-blown Murmur server.

    [1] - https://github.com/thelounge

    [2] - https://thelounge.chat/

    [3] - https://github.com/convos-chat/convos/

    [4] - https://convos.chat/

    [5] - https://www.mumble.info/

    [6] - https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur/wiki/Configuration

  • Signal Says It Will Exit India Rather Than Compromise Its Encryption
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 27 Oct 2022
    I suppose people should decide for themselves if they take the word of a centralized service. Convenience is a factor after all.

    For those that have small circles of friends they wish to chat with and minimize the number of ISP's their traffic traverses, I would suggest tinkering around with uMurmur [1] There are pre-built packages in several operating systems package managers. The configuration is dirt simple [2] and the daemon is very light weight, designed to run on home routers. Use certbot to generate LE certs or just use self-signed. One TCP and one UDP port must be forwarded to the daemon, default port being 64738. One can set a server-wide password to keep strangers off of it, or set passwords per-channel.

    uMurmur is not E2EE but if it is running on your own router and you are talking with your friends that you know and trust then maybe that is less of an issue. The mobile client is Mumla. Just put in the IP or hostname of the uMurmur instance.

    [1] - https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur

    [2] - https://github.com/umurmur/umurmur/wiki/Configuration

  • Mumble: Open-Source, Low Latency, High Quality Voice Chat
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Jun 2021
    I like https://umurmur.net/ since it can run totally headless at the cost of some of Murmur's features. Mainline Murmur (the Mumble server) requires QT5 and mDNSResponder and various DB drivers and even D-Bus if you look at it crossways
  • Remotely transfer audio from Raspberry Pi
    1 project | /r/sdr | 16 Feb 2021
    I believe quite a few people use umurmur for stuff like this. Note that it's encrypted and I don't believe that can be shut off, so don't run it over, say, HamWAN, but I don't imagine that was the plan anyway.

element-x-ios

Posts with mentions or reviews of element-x-ios. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-03-01.
  • Don't Use Discord for FOSS
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Mar 2024
    Element X is not finished or intended for average users yet, as https://element.io/labs/element-x makes clear. It’s a preview of the future of Element.
  • Signal v7.0.0 with phone number privacy
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 17 Feb 2024
    Matrix itself is a big messy thing, much like the Web - this is both its power and a potential weakness.

    Element X is indeed a fancy new client - but it hasn't hit a 1.0 yet. Think of it a lot like Firefox was pre-1.0; it's unrecognisably faster and better than the previous generation... but not all features are there yet. Meanwhile, there are loads of entirely unrelated independent excellent clients out there too; it's not just about Element v Element X.

    > But I wasn't able to set up the encryption with my recovery key, there was only the online validation which I couldn't use because I was on the go and didn't have access to my desktop.

    This bug is an accidental thinko however: it's placeholder UI which is about to be replaced by implementing login-via-scanning-QR-code (which is almost there), but obviously that also needs the ability to enter recovery keys too. Eitherway, it's being fixed: https://github.com/element-hq/element-x-ios/issues/2424

    > also seems to still lack TOFU for my private server

    Yup, sorry, TOFU for TLS isn't implemented yet in EX.

    > The same with the homeservers, there's synapse and dendrite is supposed to take over at some point but that point is forever far in the future. And then there's conduit, so which one is it?

    Synapse is a stable server where the core team is putting its effort currently. Dendrite is a 2nd gen server from the core team, but is beta and a) ended up being focused on P2P and embedded homeservers and experimental MSCs, b) is starved of resource atm due to funding pressure (c.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5BrVVf0B1I&t=316s). Conduit is an independent server implementation in Rust, which is promising but beta.

    It's like asking whether you should use Apache httpd or beta versions of nginx or lighttpd in the early days of the Web.

    > The strategy doesn't really feel well thought out in that sense.

    The strategy at Element (which employs most of the Matrix core team) is pretty clear right now:

    1. Improve Synapse as the most mature and stable server implementation (and package it in Element Server Suite for those needing an enterprise Matrix distro: https://element.io/server-suite)

    2. Finish implementing sufficient features in Element X that it can replace the old classic Element mobile apps asap - converging on a single Rust codebase, so that bugs & audits & new features can all land in one place.

    3. Keep building Element Web/Desktop and Element Call.

    ...and that's it.

    If it seems confusing, that's either because we're in the middle of the Element -> Element X shuffle... or because the nature of Matrix is that there's loads of other independent implementations running around too. But that's what makes it fun, too :)

  • Bluesky and the at Protocol
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 6 Feb 2024
    i’d have been in danger of agreeing a year ago, but thankfully we proved otherwise with Element X: https://element.io/labs/element-x. Bit embarassing that we didn’t get there sooner, but human fallibility and all that.
  • Flutter seems to be having bad times internally
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 23 Nov 2023
    Yep, a good example is the element X rewrite

    They use Jetpack on Android

    https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-android

    And SwiftUI on iOS

    https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-ios

    But both use the same underlying Matrix Rust SDK

    https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk

    So they share the core part of the app between platforms, but everything user facing is native

  • Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix
    13 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 21 Sep 2023
    And the cake under the cherry is… Element X is open-source[1][2]!

    I really can't wait for Beeper[3] to rebuild their fork on top of Element X (it's currently based on Element, formerly called Riot). If this happens this will be an absolute game-changer in the messaging ecosystem.

    [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-ios

    [2] https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-android

    [3] https://www.beeper.com/

  • Element X Matrix client now on iOS early release
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 6 Jul 2023
    Yes, eventually. Right now the sliding sync MSC is still in flux (e.g. we just realised today that it's missing an explicit flag to notify once the client has caught up with the server, rather than guessing via heuristics: https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-ios/issues/1269#issue...). As a result, the implementation (which is in golang) is being kept separate from Synapse for now while we iterate on it; plus it's a separate set of folks working on it. This also means that SS can be used with any existing server (dendrite, conduit etc) as needed.

    It'll get added natively to Synapse eventually, but it'll likely be quite a way off.

  • Matrix 2.0: How we’re making Matrix go voom
    28 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 13 Feb 2023
    Element X is an entirely new client written in Rust + Swift UI/Jetpack Compose (https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-ios and https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-android) which will eventually replace the legacy Element apps (https://github.com/vector-im/element-ios and https://github.com/vector-im/element-android).

    The features already exist serverside; we're just working on getting them out of beta.

  • Signal Says It Will Exit India Rather Than Compromise Its Encryption
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 27 Oct 2022
    Yep, it's definitely been frustrating in the past. The number of iOS Element bugs was overwhelming at times too. It's a lot more stable now, but the bubble layout still isn't the default - I think that's what most people expect from a personal messenger. I'm looking forward to seeing what the Rust rewrite [1] brings for performance/stability.

    FluffyChat also has quite nice UX and a bubble layout by default, but threads are still a while off [2]. On iOS it worked flawlessly through the iOS 16 betas while Element had some show stopping bugs, a couple of my friends moved over if they were on the beta.

    I haven't had any friends ask me about the verify session buttons. I don't see any prompts on latest iOS Element but it's still too prominent on Element desktop for my liking.

    SchildiChat [3] is my daily driver and feels more friendly than Element on desktop (unified DMs & group chats, no verify UX, chat bubbles), but it doesn't have any update mechanism built in, so I'm wary to recommend it to non-technical friends. It was also my goto recommendation on Android before the Element redesign.

    I'm confident the ecosystem is moving in the right direction though, and so thankful for the amount of choice.

    [1]: https://github.com/vector-im/element-x-ios

  • Why is Matrix not that popular?
    1 project | /r/matrixdotorg | 2 Jun 2022
    iOS is still not great, but they are making a new one.

What are some alternatives?

When comparing umurmur and element-x-ios you can also consider the following projects:

fivem - The source code for the Cfx.re modification frameworks, such as FiveM, RedM and LibertyM, as well as FXServer.

fluffychat

Mumble - Mumble is an open-source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software.

element-ios - A glossy Matrix collaboration client for iOS

oxen-core - Oxen core repository, containing oxend and oxen cli wallets

element-x-android - Android Matrix messenger application using the Matrix Rust Sdk and Jetpack Compose

facebook - A Matrix-Facebook Messenger puppeting bridge

pantalaimon - E2EE aware proxy daemon for matrix clients.

element-meta - Shared/meta documentation and project artefacts for Element clients

conduit

matrix-dimension - An open source integration manager for matrix clients, like Element.