tsql VS postgres

We use in prod variant of no 1. [0]. Why? Because:

* it's extremely lightweight (built on pure, functional combinators)

* it allows us to use more complex patterns ie. convention where every json field ends with Json which is automatically parsed; which, unlike datatype alone, allows us to create composable query to fetch arbitrarily nested graphs and promoting single [$] key ie. to return list of emails as `string[]` not `{ email: string }[]` with `select email as [$] from Users` etc.

* has convenience combinators for things like constructing where clauses from monodb like queries

* all usual queries like CRUD, exists etc. and some more complex ie. insertIgnore, merge1n etc has convenient api

We resort to runtime type assertions [1] which works well for this and all other i/o; runtime type assertions are necessary for cases when your running service is incorrectly attached to old or future remote schema (there are other protections against it but still happens).

[0] https://github.com/appliedblockchain/tsql

[1] https://github.com/appliedblockchain/assert-combinators

Exactly. I'm happy with tsql [0] - template based, with safe sanitation, helper renderers/combinators, used in production for several years, would recommend this approach.

[0] https://github.com/appliedblockchain/tsql

Personally I prefer functional combinators like interfaces [0]. Js/ts have tagged templates which enhances those type of interfaces a lot. It gives access to full set of functionality of underlying database, not just common denominator of all used. It allows arbitrary compositions etc.

[0] https://github.com/appliedblockchain/tsql/

I want to use this as a chance to bring attention to a GitHub issue that I think would help reduce friction for Neon:

https://github.com/neondatabase/neon/issues/4989

If the Neon driver were to allow us to easily pass in a localhost connection, the development and test experience would be easier. Perhaps Neon could swap to something like this internally: https://github.com/porsager/postgres.

Having run a local dev environment connected to Neon and tests connected to Neon got in our way of adoption. We'd prefer to develop and run tests against a regular Postgres localhost database.

To the PMs of Neon, put yourself in the shoes of a new developer thinking of giving Neon a try. What changes will I have to make to my code and my development workflow?

I'd push you to consider using postgres, slonik or similar for database queries. With these libraries, you just write SQL, but they perform input sanitization for you. So you can safely write:

Thanks Pier! Your comment saved me some frustration here :-D

https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627#discuss...

There's a core client interface here:

- https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/client-interfaces.ht...

On what makes it postgres.js faster, from author himself:

> it seems Postgres.js is actually faster than, not only pg, but of any driver out-there

- https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627

- https://porsager.github.io/imdbench/sql.html

When viewed as a DSL for set theory, views, CTEs, set-returning functions, et al are indeed proper first-class query abstractions.

When viewed through the lens of general purpose imperative or functional programming languages, it's easy to see how it can be seen as falling short.

I'll admit much of the tooling and driver APIs leave a lot to be desired.

Some tools do make good efforts though such as nested fragments in this driver.

https://github.com/porsager/postgres#building-queries

I don't think this should turn in to an ORM or not debate, but there are plenty of reasons, especially for the crowd that would do anything to avoid ORMs. Just try to take a peek into the multitude of "ORMs are bad" articles / discussions.

For instance - I would love to be able to use https://github.com/porsager/postgres with sqlite.

Demonstrate how easily and accidentally one can make an SQL injection with these:

https://github.com/porsager/postgres

https://github.com/gajus/slonik

They've looked at Postgres.js (https://github.com/porsager/postgres) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way.