truffleruby VS Quarkus

I think it would be worth mentioning GraalVM and https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby in competitors section.

GitHub page has some info: https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby#current-status

My question is, how viable is TruffleRuby vs JRuby?

I wonder why GraalVM is not more often used for these speed critical cases: https://www.graalvm.org/python/

Is the problem the Oracle involvement? (Same for ruby https://www.graalvm.org/ruby/)

Looks like it’s still a WIP

https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby/commits?author=eregon

this comes at the cost of boxing ints inside Integer, though.

So, if you ignore for a moment primitives types, whenever you have generics, everything boils down to a single method accepting Objects and returning Objects. What the JVM does is to do runtime profiling of what actually you are passing to the generic method, and generate optimized routines for the "best case". In theory this is the best of the two worlds, because like in general you will have a single implementation of the method (avoiding duplication of the code), but if you use it in an hot spot you get the optimized code.

In a way, it is quite wasteful, because you throw away a lot of information at compile time, just to get it back (and maybe not all of it) at runtime through profiling, but in practice it works quite well.

A side effect of this is this makes the JVM a wonderful VM for running dynamic languages like Ruby and Python, because that information is _not_ there at compile time. In particular GraalVM/TruffleVM and exposes this functionality to dynamic language implementations, allowing very good performance (according to they website [1][2], Ruby and Python on TruffleVM are about 8x faster than the official implementation, and JS in line with V8)

[1] https://www.graalvm.org/ruby/

I opened a ticket some time ago about performance with Jekyll and liquid templates. At least in that case, yjit was way faster. I'm happy to retest though. Anything that would make my jekyll builds faster would help.

https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby/issues/2363

Here's a benchmark [1] done in Jan'22 against many ruby implementations, truffleRuby [2] seems to be way ahead in most, and at least ahead in all. Why truffleRuby isn't talk about much here?

[1] https://eregon.me/blog/2022/01/06/benchmarking-cruby-mjit-yj...

[2] https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby

Meanwhile, if you're building something smaller than Netflix, I'm writing a book just for that (https://opinionatedlaunch.com/).

It's about mobile apps, but I talk about backend at great length, especially since my background is Java. The book is called "opinionated" because I cover Quarkus (https://quarkus.io/), monolith, Fly.io, and no K8s.

Quarkus is a Java based framework tailored for GraalVM and HotSpot, which results in an amazingly fast boot time while having an incredibly low memory footprint. It offers near instant scale up and high density memory utilization which can be very useful for container orchestration platforms like Kubernetes or Serverless runtimes like AWS Lambda.

Other useful articles related to Quarkus extension development can be found under the Writing Extensions guide category on the Quarkus.io website.

Quarkus is one of Java frameworks for microservices development and cloud-native deployment. It is developed as container-first stack and working with GraalVM and HotSpot virtual machines (VM).

If you GraalVM Native Image or one of the frameworks based on it then bootstrap cost disappears:

https://quarkus.io

We are open to practice using any open-source project, however, we want to set a sharp focus on projects maintained by the Red Hat, and our own projects in the Caravana Cloud organization on github. If there is no reason to do differently, we'll build using technologies such as OpenShift, Quarkus, Ansible and related projects.

The Quarkus you are talking about is this one? https://quarkus.io/