toolchains_llvm VS sorbet

load("@bazel_tools//tools/build_defs/repo:http.bzl", "http_archive") BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_TAG = "0.7.2" BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_SHA = "f7aa8e59c9d3cafde6edb372d9bd25fb4ee7293ab20b916d867cd0baaa642529" http_archive( name = "com_grail_bazel_toolchain", sha256 = BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_SHA, strip_prefix = "bazel-toolchain-{tag}".format(tag = BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_TAG), canonical_id = BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_TAG, url = "https://github.com/grailbio/bazel-toolchain/archive/{tag}.tar.gz".format(tag = BAZEL_TOOLCHAIN_TAG), ) load("@com_grail_bazel_toolchain//toolchain:deps.bzl", "bazel_toolchain_dependencies") bazel_toolchain_dependencies() load("@com_grail_bazel_toolchain//toolchain:rules.bzl", "llvm_toolchain") llvm_toolchain( name = "llvm_toolchain", llvm_version = "15.0.5", ) load("@llvm_toolchain//:toolchains.bzl", "llvm_register_toolchains") llvm_register_toolchains() http_archive( name = "com_google_googletest", urls = ["https://github.com/google/googletest/archive/609281088cfefc76f9d0ce82e1ff6c30cc3591e5.zip"], strip_prefix = "googletest-609281088cfefc76f9d0ce82e1ff6c30cc3591e5", )

Yeah the cross-compilation thing is definitely a rough spot. I have one project that's able to work around it via extensive hacks with macros, but at some point I'll need to do it "the right way."

Honestly if the docs had a canonical example of e.g. using unix_cc_toolchain_config (example: [0]) + Bootlin to compile for aarch64, it'd probably go a long way to making things understandable. Because say what you will about the old CROSSTOOL approach, at least there was a nice tutorial for it.

[0] https://github.com/grailbio/bazel-toolchain/blob/f14a8a5de8f...

I'm really not familiar with this issue or Go nor C++ overall, but if all you need is to set up a C++ toolchain, this should be quite simple and solve your issue.

The trick is that to provide Bazel with a custom toolchain involves way more than just setting an environment variable, because Bazel wants to control installing and making available the compiler reliably (e.g., what if `emcc` is not present on the system where Bazel was invoked? Bazel solves that problem by fetching it and building it for that system)

There are projects that provide drop-in support for custom toolchains (e.g., we use this project[0] in Sorbet to fetch and build a custom LLVM/Clang toolchain for every host we build on (rather than relying on the system toolchain). But I'm not aware of a project that has done that for Emscripten. Maybe it would be as easy as plucking out what we've done in our project into a project that others could depend on, but to quote a colleague:

> Setting up a cc toolchain in Bazel is a unique sort of pain.

[0] https://github.com/grailbio/bazel-toolchain/

Not part of the official language spec, but Ruby has Sorbet, from a company who employs Ruby core contributors and helped with the recently released JIT additions to the language, amount countless other contributions over the last couple decades.

https://sorbet.org/

First let's introduce the tool: Sorbet is a gem developed by Stripe that aims to bring type notation syntax and type checking support for the Ruby ecosystem by utilizing the "Gradual typing" philosophy, it also provide type generation from YARD comments via the tapioca gem, allowing to grow alongside the already built Ruby codebase.

We have hundreds of thousands of lines of ruby code spanning many services / monoliths. Even now I find it somewhat annoying to open a controller / component that is basically an empty class def but somehow executes a bunch of complex stuff via mixins, monkey patches etc, and you have to figure out how.

We are turning to https://sorbet.org/ to reign in the madness. I'm keen to know if others are doing the same, and how they are finding it (pros and cons)

According to https://sorbet.org/ , the vast majority of code at Stripe is written in ruby.

Caso de Stripe, que tuvo que inventar Sorbet para tener type checking en ruby.

> I guess what I'm asking is: do you see a future where there is more explicit control afforded to people who want to pick their own tradeoffs without resorting to writing everything performance-sensitive in extensions written in C/Rust/whatever?

An approach exists already in the present, and it's Stripe's Sorbet AOT compiler (https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet/tree/master/compiler).

That's incorrect. You may be thinking of Stripe, and AFAICT it's not very actively developed anymore: https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet/commits/master/compiler