spin VS kwasm

For example, here's a snippet of my Git config for the spin repository:

We built (and open-sourced) Spin to make the developer experience easier, and we want to show you this through Fermyon's Advent of Spin. You will be presented with fun coding challenges that'll help you learn to build with Spin and WebAssembly.

Fermyon Spin is the open source tool for building serverless functions with WebAssembly. We’re going to use a few Spin commands to go from blinking cursor to deployed app in just a few minutes. Along the way, we’ll walk through a Spin project and see some of the features of Spin 2.0.

linky: https://github.com/fermyon/spin#readme (Apache 2; and while I don't see any CLA, interestingly they do require GPG signed commits: https://developer.fermyon.com/spin/contributing-spin#committ... )

To install the binary file on Windows, download the Windows binary release, unzip the file, and place the spin.exe file in your system path.

We are delighted to introduce Spin 1.0, the first stable release of the open source developer tool for building serverless applications with WebAssembly (Wasm)! Since we first introduced Spin last year, we have been hard at work together with the community on building a frictionless developer experience for building and running serverless applications with Wasm.

“Waggy is used for writing WAGI (WebAssembly Gateway Interface) compliant API routers/individual handlers. WAGI was developed by deislabs for accepting and routing incoming HTTP requests with WebAssembly via a configuration file (modules.toml) defining routes, modules, volumes to be mounted, etc. WAGI can run as a stand alone server, or with a framework such as the Fermyon/Spin framework Go SDK. Waggy allows for the flexibility of handling the routing via the modules.toml, or to define it code (Waggy is written in Go), as well as various pieces of convenient functionality such as the new features described above!!”

They’re VC-funded and will vendor lock-in you. See their response to my discussion:

https://github.com/fermyon/spin/discussions/861

With WasmEdge there is no vendor lock-in, it’s opaque and standards-based

What language do you want? And how experimental are you wanting to go? This project is crazy cool https://github.com/fermyon/spin , but might be harder to work with if you’re not willing to use rust :p, think they might have made it easy for c# too though

Where we will go from here, is pretty obvious.

Now that we've realized SSRs cannot be an optional afterthought, we'll soon realize SSRs with running JS on the server is a nightmare to scale - https://engineeringblog.yelp.com/2022/02/server-side-renderi...

Just search HN for "scaling server side rendering" and you'll land on a bunch of practical complications.

That doesn't mean SSR is bad. It just means we know the solution but stuck with the wrong tools.

My hypothesis is that we'll capitalize WebAssembly to run our UI rendering logic and a tiny platform-specific rendering layer to translate rendering commands from WASM to platform. Interesting side-benefit: Language choices other than Javascript.

I've already started working on a proof-of-concept React-ish library that runs on a WASM VM. IT lets you specify your UI component declaration and behaviour in Kotlin - https://github.com/joelewis/kwasm

3. A platform specific embedder can then write a tiny layer of renderer that translates commands from the WebAssmelby VM into native UI updates.

This way we can liberate UI programming from being too close to a platform and possibly could run on servers (damn fast SSR)

I'm attempting a proof of concept and I've logged my thoughts as I'm working through the project - https://github.com/joelewis/kwasm/blob/master/notes.txt