sectorlisp
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sectorlisp
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are there any benchmarks on sector lisp
I'm assuming you are referring to https://github.com/jart/sectorlisp which I gather is an attempt to make a Lisp that fits in a disk boot sector?
- Sectorlisp
- Kilo Lisp: A Kilo Byte-Sized Lisp System
- For the LISP 1.5 mainframe fans here...
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I think SIMD was a distraction to our conversation, most code doesn't use it and in the future the length agnostic, flexible vectors; https://github.com/WebAssembly/flexible-vectors/blob/master/... are a better solution. They are a lot like RVV; https://github.com/riscv/riscv-v-spec, research around vector processing is why RISC-V exists in the first place!
I was trying to find the smallest Rust Wasm interpreters I could find, I should have read the source first, I only really use wasmtime, but this one looks very interesting, zero deps, zero unsafe.
16.5kloc of Rust https://github.com/rhysd/wain
The most complete wasm env for small devices is wasm3
20kloc of C https://github.com/wasm3/wasm3
I get what you are saying as to be so small that there isn't a place of bugs to hide.
> “There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult.” CAR Hoare
Even a 100 line program can't be guaranteed to be free of bugs. These programs need embedded tests to ensure that the layer below them is functioning as intended. They cannot and should not run open loop. Speaking of 300+ reimplementations, I am sure that RISC-V has already exceeded that. The smallest readable implementation is like 200 lines of code; https://github.com/BrunoLevy/learn-fpga/blob/master/FemtoRV/...
I don't think Wasm suffers from the base extension issue you bring up. It will get larger, but 1.0 has the right algebraic properties to be useful forever. Wasm does require an environment, for archival purposes that environment should be written in Wasm, with api for instantiating more envs passed into the first env. There are two solutions to the Wasm generating and calling Wasm problem. First would be a trampoline, where one returns Wasm from the first Wasm program which is then re-instantiated by the outer env. The other would be to pass in the api to create new Wasm envs over existing memory buffers.
See, https://copy.sh/v86/
MS-DOS, NES or C64 are useful for archival purposes because they are dead, frozen in time along with a large corpus of software. But there is a ton of complexity in implementing those systems with enough fidelity to run software.
Lua, Typed Assembly; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typed_assembly_language and Sector Lisp; https://github.com/jart/sectorlisp seem to have the right minimalism and compactness for archival purposes. Maybe it is sectorlisp+rv32+wasm.
If there are directions you would like Wasm to go, I really recommend attending the Wasm CG meetings.
https://github.com/WebAssembly/meetings
When it comes to an archival system, I'd like it to be able to run anything from an era, not just specially crafted binaries. I think Wasm meets that goal.
https://gist.github.com/dabeaz/7d8838b54dba5006c58a40fc28da9...
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*Laughs in autocmd*
Based on this, the next thing you wrote, and your reference to running a minimal Gentoo: I think you might be a Scheme fan in the making. Scheme is the minimal Lisp. (Okay, that might be sectorlisp which fits in 512 bytes.) It’s hands down my favorite language. While it’s evolved on its own to be more of a superset of Scheme, Racket is my Scheme of choice.
- Bootstrapping Lisp in a Boot Sector
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That's pretty much it!
sectorlisp
toaruos
- ToaruOS Has Been Archived
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Tilck – A Tiny Linux-Compatible Kernel
Another interesting project to checkout is klange’s toaruos https://github.com/klange/toaruos
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Announcing: PonyOS 8
In case it's not clear, PonyOS is a joke reskin of my serious OS project, ToaruOS. PonyOS gets a new release every April 1st. All of the libraries and applications in ToaruOS are in-house things I built myself - the whole OS is "built from scratch". PonyOS adds ponysay, which is an external app originally written in Python - and in previous releases of PonyOS I shipped the Python version alongside a port of Python 3.6. This release, though, comes with a port to my own language, Kuroko, which is a dialect of Python - a lot of what went into building the PonyOS release this year was getting ponysay to work well.
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Interesting variables
There is no correct way to use inline assembly here. You need a stub written in assembly that will save those registers to the stack and pass a pointer to a handler written in C. You may also want to define a struct that matches the stack layout to make it easier to access the stack contents. This is not my code. If you want to use this code in your OS, you must follow the license requirements.
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Seriously, WHY?
Here's a good example, although it's 64-bit instead of 32-bit.
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- ToaruOS 2.0, a new (hobby) x86_64 OS
- ToaruOS 2.0
What are some alternatives?
sectorforth - sectorforth is a 16-bit x86 Forth that fits in a 512-byte boot sector.
Lemon-OS - The Lemon Operating System
small-lisp - A very small lisp interpreter, that I may one day get working on my 8-bit AVR microcontroller.
kernel-zig - :floppy_disk: hobby x86 kernel zig
Carp - A statically typed lisp, without a GC, for real-time applications.
limine - Modern, advanced, portable, multiprotocol bootloader.
mal - mal - Make a Lisp
xboot - The extensible bootloader for embedded system with application engine, write once, run everywhere.
femtolisp - a lightweight, robust, scheme-like lisp implementation
HoodLoader2 - 16u2 Bootloader to reprogram 16u2 + 328/2560 with Arduino IDE
lk2nd - Secondary little kernel (lk) bootloader for Qualcomm MSM8953 devices