team VS Apache NetBeans

It's just as true today, though. When the Rust mod team resigned en masse in 2021, it was announced by a programmer (the author of ripgrep) [0], and the conflict was with the core team (also programmers). A supermajority of their contributors to open source projects are programmers, so most famous meltdowns are going to be conflicts between programmers, not between programmers and the tiny minority of non-technical contributors.

I'm still waiting for anyone to give an example of an open source project meltdown that was triggered by non-technical contributors.

[0] https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671

the mods publicly outlined the governance issue, while keeping the moderation issue private (https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671)

Here's another list: https://github.com/rust-lang/team//blob/d4c071b86c33683845919cf27eabf33e15fb6784/teams/interim-leadership-chat.toml

they linked their (user)names:

https://github.com/rust-lang/team/blob/2cea9916903fffafbfae6...

You can also check rust-lang/team repo, where shows more than 400+ people have worked on the Rust Project as official members. And on thanks.rust-lang.org, it shows that 300+ people have been involved in each recent release. I believe the number of active contributors may be more than 100+.

Right, but this type of drama isn't new in the community. A while back the whole mod team resigned because they were not able to hold the core team accountable. In fact I remember it being said that the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves. So I don't think I'm being dramatic at all here.

If that's too onerous, you can also look at the list of directors and observe that there are people titled "Project Director" who you can look up on https://github.com/rust-lang/team and observe that they have in fact been selected from the project teams.

You're more than welcome to set the narrative straight. The infighting among Rust maintainers is based partially on your resignation note where you said the Core Team was "unaccountable" https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671 and implied that they were untrustworthy. The same people that once went around starting language wars, like calling Zig a "massive step backward" for the industry https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32783244.

I'm just an outsider observer, who's been watching the sparks fly. It's been interesting as well to watch how quickly memories changes when positions are dangled. If there's ever an investigative report on the tribulations of Rust, they can also dig into the allegations of nepotism around one maintainer and his girlfriend on the project, vis-a-vis Amazon. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633113.

This page doesn't give any details about what's changed in this release.

More informative page: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/20

The IDE we use on this course is called NetBeans, and we use it with the Test My Code plugin.

I believe Netbeans is the preferred IDE for the mooc. There is a plugin for IntelliJ, but I've heard mixed reviews.

> For the most part, Eclipse has fallen into obscurity.

I guess it depends on the locale/company/environment?

In most conferences, online videos, as well as among the people I know personally, JetBrains IDEs (IntelliJ IDEA for Java) seem to reign supreme: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

They have a community version, personally I pay for the Ultimate package of all the tools. They're slightly sluggish, want a lot of RAM, but the actual development experience and features make up for that.

I know that Eclipse is sometimes used more in an educational setting, however there are also both some specialized tools, as well as customized versions for something like working with Spring in the industry: https://spring.io/tools

In my experience, the idea behind the IDE is nice (a platform that you can install whatever you want on, entire language support packages, or specialized tool packages), but the execution falls short - sometimes it's unstable, other times it works slow and so on. That said, it's passable.

I would say that personally I'd almost prefer NetBeans to Eclipse, even after it was given over to the Apache Foundation, which have released a few versions since: https://netbeans.apache.org/

It seems to do less than either Eclipse or IntelliJ IDEA do, but for general purpose Java editing and limited work with other stacks (PHP, webdev stuff, some C/C++) it is good and pleasant to use. However, if you have projects that get close to half a million lines of code, it does just kind of break and gets way slower than the alternatives. It still somehow feels more coherent than Eclipse to me, would pick it if IntelliJ IDEA didn't exist.

Some also try doing something like using Visual Studio Code with a Java plugin: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/java

That said, I only used that briefly when I needed something lightweight for a netbook of mine, the experience was somewhat underwhelming. The autocomplete or refactoring wasn't as good as IntelliJ IDEA and just felt a little bit tacked on. Then again, that was a while ago, I don't doubt that progress is being made.

(free) Apache NetBeans is there from ages, and one person on my team still uses it for PHP/web stuff (including the use of xdebug with it) because you know, it works. Some of us care about *what* gets into the repository, not *how* it gets done, as long you're productive.

Existem outras IDEs igualmente famosas: Eclipse IDE e NetBeans.

1. NetBeans

Nobody mentioned (wonder why), but 10 years ago I used work in NetBeans. I thought it was fantastic and I can see it is still being developed.