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XML is better than YAML
Whenever this kind of arguments come up, I am sad that RON (https://github.com/ron-rs/ron) is not better known. To me it feels like a cleaner and better JSON.
In any case, my little experience with it had made me hate YAML. Generally speaking, I have come to dislike any language with significant whitespace other than Haskell.
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What config format do you prefer?
Part of the reason why I migrated away from RON in system76-scheduler is because I needed to rely on the 253-untagged-enums branch from https://github.com/MomoLangenstein/ron. Which still isn't resolved today: https://github.com/ron-rs/ron/pull/451.
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Ron: Rusty Object Notation
Serde is strongly, strictly typed: you have to specify what type you want to decode to. It’s nothing like Python’s Pickle protocol.
See, for example, https://github.com/ron-rs/ron/blob/484fcab0686dfd18c7e29b6c1..., where it (in a type-inferency way) says “parse as Config”.
- JSON vs. XML with Douglas Crockford
- Ron – Rusty Object Notation
- They're rebuilding the Death Star of complexity
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- The Perfect Configuration Format? Try TypeScript
- YAML: It's Time to Move On
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Ask HN: What you up to? (Who doesn't want to be hired?)
I'm continuing to work on https://concise-encoding.org which is a new security-conscious ad-hoc encoding format to replace JSON/XML and friends. I've been at it for 3 years so far and am close to a release.
In a nutshell:
- Edit in text, transmit in binary. One can be seamlessly converted to the other, but binary is far more efficient for processing, storage and transmission, while text is better for humans to read and edit (which happens far less often than the other things).
- Secure by design: Everything is tightly specced and accounted for so that there aren't differences between implementations that can be exploited to compromise your system. https://github.com/kstenerud/concise-encoding/blob/master/ce...
- Real type support because coercing everything into strings sucks (and is another security risk and source of incompatibilities).
XML had a good run but was replaced by JSON which was a big improvement. JSON also had a good run but it's time for it to retire now that the landscape has changed even further: Security and efficiency are the desires of today, and JSON provides neither.
I've got the spec nailed down and can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel for the reference implementation in golang. I still need to come up with a system for schemas, but I'm hoping that https://cuelang.org will fit the bill.
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No YAML
Has anyone taken a look at Cue who can share any experiences?
https://cuelang.org/
It's mentioned on the site as an alternative to Yaml. Recently watched (~half of) this intro to it: https://youtu.be/fR_yApIf6jU
- Ask HN: Is there a good way to run integration tests on Kubernetes?
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Cue: A new language for data validation
the most interesting summary explanation of cue lang and its differences is from a bug filing - https://github.com/cuelang/cue/issues/33
>CUE is a bit different from the languages used in linguistics and more tailored to the general configuration issue as we've seen it at Google. But under the hood it adheres strictly to the concepts and principles of these approaches and we have been careful not to make the same mistakes made in BCL (which then were copied in all its offshoots). It also means that CUE can benefit from 30 years of research on this topic. For instance, under the hood, CUE uses a first-order unification algorithm, allowing us to build template extractors based on anti-unification (see issue #7 and #15), something that is not very meaningful or even possible with languages like BCL and Jsonnet.
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CMake proposal: Unified way of describing dependencies of a project
I agree with you. Personally, I think Cue is much better than either YAML, TOML or JSON because it adds the concept of types to the idea of describing configuration.
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Cloud Infrastructure as SQL
true, but the tooling and workflow remains the same.
Not sure of any tool that could abstract the details sufficiently to be widely adopted. There is just too much nuance in cloud config.
I'm exploring using CUE (https://cuelang.org) to define TF resources, exporting as JSON for TF. So far it's much nicer
What are some alternatives?
toml.io - Source Code for toml.io
terraform - Terraform enables you to safely and predictably create, change, and improve infrastructure. It is a source-available tool that codifies APIs into declarative configuration files that can be shared amongst team members, treated as code, edited, reviewed, and versioned.
json5 - JSON5 — JSON for Humans
dhall-lang - Maintainable configuration files
kdl - the kdl document language specifications
jsonnet - Jsonnet - The data templating language
minimal-yaml - A minimalist, zero-copy parser for a strict subset of the Yaml specification.
Pulumi - Pulumi - Infrastructure as Code in any programming language. Build infrastructure intuitively on any cloud using familiar languages 🚀
yaml-reference-parser
ytt - YAML templating tool that works on YAML structure instead of text
typescript-json-schema - Generate json-schema from your Typescript sources
starlark-rust - A Rust implementation of the Starlark language