piper VS tortoise-tts

After some brief research it seems the issue you're seeing may be a known bug in at least some versions/release of espeak-ng.

Here's some potentially related links if you'd like to dig deeper:

* "questions about mandarin data packet #1044": https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/1044

* "ESpeak NJ-1.51’s Mandarin pronunciation is corrupted #12952": https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/12952

* "The pronunciation of Mandarin Chinese using ESpeak NJ in NVDA is not normal #1028": https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/1028

* "When espeak-ng translates Chinese (cmn), IPA tone symbols are not output correctly #305": https://github.com/rhasspy/piper/issues/305

* "Please default ESpeak NG's voice role to 'Chinese (Mandarin, latin as Pinyin)' for Chinese to fix #12952 #13572": https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13572

* "Cmn voice not correctly translated #1370": https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/1370

If you're not already aware, the primary developer of Mimic 3 (and its non-Mimic predecessor Larynx) continued TTS-related development with Larynx and the renamed project Piper: https://github.com/rhasspy/piper

Last year Piper development was supported by Nabu Casa for their "Year of Voice" project for Home Assistant and it sounds like Mike Hansen is going to continue on it with their support this year.

Coqui-ai was a commercial continuation of Mozilla TTS and STT (https://github.com/mozilla/TTS).

At the time (2018-ish), it was really impressive for on-device voice synthesis (with a quality approaching the Google and Azure cloud-based voice synthesis options) and open source, so a lot of people in the FOSS community were hoping it could be used for a privacy-respecting home assistant, Linux speech synthesis that doesn't suck, etc.

After Mozilla abandoned the project, Coqui continued development and had some really impressive one-shot voice cloning, but pivoted to marketing speech synthesis for game developers. They were probably having trouble monetizing it, and it doesn't surprise me that they shut down.

An equivalent project that's still in active development and doing really well is Piper TTS (https://github.com/rhasspy/piper).

There isn't an ElevenLabs app like that, but I think that's the most expedient method, by far.

(details and warning: in-depth, opinionated take, written almost for my own benefit, I've done a lot of work near here recently but haven't had to organize my thoughts until now)

Why? Local inference is hard. You need two things: the clips to voice model (which we have here, but bleeding edge), and text + voice -> speech model.

Text to voice to speech, locally, has excellent prior art for me, in the form of a Raspberry Pi-based ONNX inference library called [Piper](https://github.com/rhasspy/piper). I should just be able to copy that, about an afternoon of work!

Except...when these models are trained, they encode plaintext to model input using a library called eSpeak. eSpeak is basically f(plaintext) => ints representing phonemes. eSpeak is a C library and written in a style I haven't seen in a while and depends on other C libraries. So I end up needing to port like 20K lines of C to Dart...or I could use WASM, but over the last year, I lost the ability to be able to reason through how to get WASM running in Dart, both native and web.

It's a really annoying technical problem: the speech models all use this eSpeak C library to turn plaintext => model input (tokenized phonemes).

Re: ElevenLabs

I had looked into the API months ago and vaguely remembered it was _very_ complete.

I spent the last hour or two playing with it, and reconfirmed that. They have enough API surface that you could build an API that took voice recordings, created a voice, and then did POSTs / socket connection to get audio data from that voice at will.

Only issue is pricing IMHO, $0.18 for 1000 characters. :/ But this is something I feel very comfortable saying wouldn't be _that_ much work to build and open source with a "bring your own API key" type thing. I had forgotten about Eleven Labs till your post, which made me realize there was an actually meaningful and quite moving use case for it.

piper (https://github.com/rhasspy/piper)

I have been using piper-tts and it is GREAT and super lightweight / easy to use. On a 2080 I'm sure you can use the HQ models no worries!

So i found some library and one which is from github and have read.me or good documentation called piper (https://github.com/rhasspy/piper) so apparently this library is for rasbery pi and yes there is TXT function and i need to modify again to make it more simple but my simple project don't need this kind of big complex libary and all i need is what i said before just a function that can output sound from computer using c++ libary.

piper-whistle is a tool to manage voices used with the piper (https://github.com/rhasspy/piper) speech synthesizer. Main motivation was to download and reference models in a structured way. You may browse the docs online at https://think-biq.gitlab.io/piper-whistle/

You may want to try Piper for this case (RPi 4): https://github.com/rhasspy/piper

The quality also depends on the type of model. I'm not really sure what ESpeak-ng actually uses? The classical TTS approaches often use some statistical model (e.g. HMM) + some vocoder. You can get to intelligible speech pretty easily but the quality is bad (w.r.t. how natural it sounds).

There are better open source TTS models. E.g. check https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts or https://github.com/NVIDIA/tacotron2. Or here for more: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/12kjof5/d_...

I use Tortoise TTS. It's slow, a little clunky, and sometimes the output gets downright weird. But it's the best quality-oriented TTS I've found that I can run locally.

https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts

neonbjb/tortoise-tts

EDIT: It appears to be the exact same issue as this

It was primarily being used to train TTS models (see https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts), which largely fit into a single GPUs memory. So, for data parallelism, x8 PCIe isn't that much of a concern.

Previously TortoiseTTS was associated with PlayHT in some way, although the exact connection is a bit vague [0].

From the descriptions here it sounds a lot like AudioLM / SPEAR TTS / some of Meta's recent multilingual TTS approaches, although those models are not open source, sounds like PlayHT's approach is in a similar spirit. The discussion of "mel tokens" is closer to what I would call the classic TTS pipeline in many ways... PlayHT has generally been kind of closed about what they used, would be interesting to know more.

I assume the key factor here is high quality, emotive audio with good data cleaning processes. Probably not even a lot of data, at least in the scale of "a lot" in speech, e.g. ASR (millions of hours) or TTS (hundreds to thousands). As opposed to some radically new architectural piece never before seen in the literature, there are lots of really nice tools for emotive and expressive TTS buried in recent years of publications.

Tacotron 2 is perfectly capable of this type of stuff as well, as shown by Dessa [1] a few years ago (this writeup is a nice intro to TTS concepts). With the limit largely being, at some point you haven't heard certain phonetic sounds before in a voice, and need to do something to get plausible outcomes for new voices.

[0] Discussion here https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts/issues/182#issuecomm...

[1] https://medium.com/dessa-news/realtalk-how-it-works-94c1afda...

Tortoise GitHub repo - Source code, documentation, and usage guide