red VS janet

Red seems to have similar challenges. They have their code on GitHub, but the Releases are confusing. They have 3 releases posted. The latest one is 5 years old. But the project is active. You can download from their site, but the version number isn’t obvious.

From poking at the project, it looks interesting but not ready to really try out yet.

https://github.com/red/red/releases

whoops, you are right, i missed that detail: https://github.com/red/red/issues/3412#issuecomment-39593686...

i am watching red on the sidelines as i am waiting for it to become usable for my interests, so i am not tracking every detail.

though i'd appreciate if you could use a less adversarial and demanding attitude. this is not appropriate for a Free Software and Open Source project, and it only serves to annoy the developers which reduces their motivation to work on the project.

your complaints, even if they were acceptable, won't help your cause. at best they will be ignored. at worst they will slow progress down as developers are less motivated.

it has been explained that the current compiler is not the final version, and as such, speedy static builds are simply not a development goal. and they should not be, because the goal is to rebuild the compiler, at which point this issue may be addressed if it is important enough. when that happens, then it is time to make a case for static builds. until then things will go faster if you could stay out of the developers ways.

Seems like a perfect use-case for Janet. (https://janet-lang.org/) A fast minimal VM like Lua, but even more extensible than Lua by being a "Lisp" with macro and C extension capabilities. Not a true Lisp, it's very pragmatic and performance-oriented. But it keeps the good stuff.

You might be looking for: https://janet-lang.org/

It comes with a build tool `jpm` which installs dependencies globally by default, but you can have it be installed in your project folder as well.

I like Clojure, but I never had any good opportunities to use it other than for a few small hobby projects. It is unfortunate that it is so huge with tons of dependencies and no simpler native implementation. I started looking at various LISPs and Schemes to find something lighter to use instead and ended up settling for Janet that I think is Clojure-like enough to be comfortable to use, but in a small native binary with no dependencies and can be embedded in other native programs. I am sure for big, real, projects that Clojure makes more sense, but for my hobby projects and scripts I do not think I will install it again. I am still happy for the things I learned from learning Clojure. It was a real eye-opener for an old OO-programmer.

https://janet-lang.org/

One might also check out Janet for quick scripting tasks.

https://janet-lang.org

Thanks!

I thought about another multiplatform, homoiconic, highly compact language: https://janet-lang.org/ (takes 803 kb on my machine).

It has no types though.

Racket is great, and if you like it you might find Rash interesting:

https://rash-lang.org/

Janet and Gerbil Scheme are also worth a look:

https://janet-lang.org/

https://cons.io/

Point here is that, for instance Janet language does not have cons / pair type but tuple (and so is lispoid, not lisp), but clearly this is sufficient for macros & hence seamless language construction: all you need is to be a lispoid although being a lisp gives another useful feature.