reagent
babashka
reagent | babashka | |
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41 | 112 | |
4,715 | 3,818 | |
0.1% | 0.9% | |
1.1 | 9.2 | |
5 months ago | 7 days ago | |
Clojure | Clojure | |
MIT License | Eclipse Public License 1.0 |
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reagent
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Ludic: New framework for Python with seamless Htmx support
Generating `HTML` from lisps has poisoned any other approach for me, see for example https://www.neilvandyke.org/racket/html-writing/, https://reagent-project.github.io/, and https://edicl.github.io/cl-who/
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Produce HTML from S-Expressions
Hiccup syntax for Clojure uses hash maps (curly braces) for attrs, e.g. `{:style {:background "red" :margin "1em"}`
See Reagent which uses Hiccup synta: https://reagent-project.github.io/
(defn simple-component []
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A History of Clojure (2020) [pdf]
* Single-Page App: shadow-cljs for the build concerns (https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs), Reagent with Re-frame for complex/large app (https://reagent-project.github.io and https://github.com/day8/re-frame). Even if we now prefer using HTMX (https://htmx.org) and server-side rendering (Hiccup way of manipulating HTML is just amazing, https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup).
- Leaving Clojure - Feedback for those that care
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Clojure is a product design tool
The API documentation lists the most commonly and rarely used parts before going into detail and there are many usage examples.
Reagent has a nice intro tutorial (classic todo-app): http://reagent-project.github.io and many other helpful tutorials and resources for beginners: https://cljdoc.org/d/reagent/reagent/1.2.0/doc/documentation...
However, since Reagent is still stuck with class-components for more complex behavior and relies on Hiccup, which is nice but has a performance cost compared to pure React, I am unsure about its future. Like some others in the Clojure community, I have moved to thin React wrappers like Helix and use Refx to integrate those with re-frame. It may be a bit confusing right now for beginners since there is no “golden path”.
Also, unfortunately, many smaller libraries are poorly documented and it seems like it is expected from the developer to dig into the source code to find out what’s going on.
What I found the most difficult as a beginner was how to setup a project in ClojureScript in the first place, like all the configuration in shadow-cljs, how it interacts with deps.edn, how it integrates with npm, the REPL, etc. But dev/build config has always been a weak spot for me, so it might be just that.
Overall, I still very much enjoy working with Clojure(Script), more than in any other language. Anyone who likes Lisps and functional programming should give it a try (and be sure to watch Rich Hickeys amazing talks!).
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Ask HN: How can a BE/infra developer handle the FE side of personal projects?
have you tried cljs and reagent? it’s a different vibe.
my bootstrap: https://github.com/nathants/aws-gocljs
the project: https://reagent-project.github.io/
- What are the enduring innovations of Lisp? (2022)
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Building a website like it's 1999... in 2022
Clojure people have been doing this for a decade or so. It’s really so much better to work with. All started with Hiccup and when React came along you got Reagent and many more developments building on the idea.
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React.dev
> But Reagent supports functional components as well, with hooks and all.
I addressed this already: while reagent is able to emit function components, there is a performance penalty to this.[1]
> I also very much like Hiccup, and so do many of us, because code is data and data is code, and Helix has decided not to support that.
Hiccup is convenient to write, but it is a constant run-time cost and a significant storage cost given that you have to store long series of constructors to cljs.core.PersistentVector in your bundle, have the JS runtime actually construct the vector, then pass it through a Hiccup interpreter to finally produce DOM nodes and throw away the persistent vector, only to repeat this entire process again on re-render.[2]
> Helix has decided not to support that.
That is simply not true. From the Helix documentation[2],
> If you want to use libraries like sablono, hicada or even hx hiccup parser, you can easily add that by creating a custom macro.
These are all Hiccup interpreters you can readily use.
IME there is very little difference between using the $ macro in Helix and writing Hiccup. I do not really miss Hiccup when I use Helix, and you still have data as code ;)
While this is from an unrelated project, there are benchmarks[3] done against Reagent that demonstrate the sheer overhead it has. In practice it is not a big problem if you rarely trigger a re-render, but otherwise it is a non-trivial cost, and if you want to use modern React features (like Suspense), there is a lot of r/as-element mingling going on, converting cases, etc. that simply make Reagent feel more tedious to use than Helix.
Also, the newer UIx2, which largely borrows from Helix, is "3.2x faster than Reagent" according to one of the contributors.[4]
I think it'd be worthwhile to benchmark all of these libraries against each other and record the data in one place. Maybe I'll get around to doing it this weekend :)
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[1] https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent/blob/master/doc/R...
[2] https://github.com/lilactown/helix/blob/master/docs/faq.md#w...
[3] https://github.com/roman01la/uix#benchmarks
[4] https://github.com/pitch-io/uix/pull/12
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React is a fractal of bad design
Reagent is peak React. All the good stuff without any of the hook and readability problems the article describes.
No affiliation, happy user for years.
https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent
babashka
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A Tour of Lisps
It also gives you access to Babashka if you want Clojure for other use-cases where start-up time is an issue
https://babashka.org/
- Babashka: Fast native Clojure scripting runtime
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What's the value proposition of meta circular interpreters?
I've tried researching this myself and can't find too much. There's this project metaes which is an mci for JS, and there's the SCI module of the Clojure babashka project, but that's about it. I also saw Triska's video on mci but it was pretty theoretical.
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Adding Dependencies on Clojure Project the Node Way: A Small Intro to neil CLI
Created by the same guy who created babashka which is a way to write bash scripts, node scripts, and even apple scripts using Clojure. A very proficient and influential developer in the Clojure community. This is how borkduke's neil helps us:
- Babashka
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Pure Bash Bible
Not what you asked for but there is Babashka for scripting in Clojure.
https://github.com/babashka/babashka
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Critique of Lazy Sequences in Clojure
Clojure's lazy sequences by default are wonderful ergonomically, but it provides many ways to use strict evaluation if you want to. They aren't really a hassle either. I've been doing Clojure for the last few years and have a few grievances, but overall it's the most coherent, well thought out language I've used and I can't recommend it enough.
There is the issue of startup time with the JVM, but you can also do AOT compilation now so that really isn't a problem. Here are some other cool projects to look at if you're interested:
Malli: https://github.com/metosin/malli
Babashka: https://github.com/babashka/babashka
Clerk: https://github.com/nextjournal/clerk
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Sharpscript: Lisp for Scripting
Being a Clojure addict, I guess I have to leave the obligatory link to Babashka too then: https://github.com/babashka/babashka (Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting)
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Rash – The Reckless Racket Shell
which is now on hiatus. babashka: https://babashka.org
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Are there any languages (that are in common use in companies) and higher-level that give you the same feeling of simplicity and standardization as C?
I've enjoyed babashka for scripting; which is close enough to clojure to allow using some/many libraries; but (probably) not for embedding.
What are some alternatives?
helix - A simple, easy to use library for React development in ClojureScript.
janet - A dynamic language and bytecode vm
re-frame - A ClojureScript framework for building user interfaces, leveraging React
malli - High-performance data-driven data specification library for Clojure/Script.
shadow-cljs - ClojureScript compilation made easy
joker - Small Clojure interpreter, linter and formatter.
fulcro-rad-demo - A demo for Fulcro RAD using either SQL or Datomic databases.
nbb - Scripting in Clojure on Node.js using SCI
storybook.js-with-shadow-cljs
clojure-lsp - Clojure & ClojureScript Language Server (LSP) implementation
hyperscript - Create HyperText with JavaScript.
racket - The Racket repository