pytype VS ZIO

it's open source! check out https://github.com/google/pytype and https://github.com/google/pytype/blob/main/docs/developers/t... for more on the multi-file runner

Pytype checks and infers types for your Python code - without requiring type annotations. Pytype can catch type errors in your Python code before you even run it.

Pyre from Meta, pyright from Microsoft and PyType from Google provide additional assistance. They can 'infer' types based on code flow and existing types within the code.

we've written a little bit about what pytype does differently here: https://google.github.io/pytype/

our main focus is to be able to work with unannotated and partially-annotated code, and treat it on par with fully annotated code.

So, I tried out pytype the other day, and it was a not a good experience. It doesn't support PEP 420 (implicit namespace packages), which means you have to litter __init__.py files everywhere, or it will create filename collisions. See https://github.com/google/pytype/issues/198 for more information. I've since started testing out pyre.

What is the smart money doing for type checking in Python? I've used mypy which seems to work well but is incredibly slow (3-4s to update linting after I change code). I've tried pylance type checking in VS Code, which seems to work well + fast but is less clear and comprehensive than mypy. I've also seen projects like pytype [1] and pyre [2] used by Google/Meta, but people say those tools don't really make sense to use unless you're an engineer for those companies.

Am just curious if mypy is really the best option right now?

[1] https://github.com/google/pytype

At Luma, we're using mypy to check nearly our entire code-base, including our Maya-related code, thanks to these latest changes. Fully adopting mypy (or an alternative like pytype) is no small feat, but working within a fully type-annotated code base with a type checker to enforce accuracy is like coding in a higher plane of existence: fewer bugs, easier code navigation, faster dev onboarding, easier refactoring, and dramatically increased confidence about every change. I wrote about some deeper insights in these posts.

Check out https://github.com/google/pytype

i work on https://github.com/google/pytype which is largely developed internally and then pushed to github every few days. the github commits are associated with the team's personal github accounts. pytype is not an "official google product" insofar as the open source version is presented as is without official google support, but it is "production code" in the sense that it is very much used extensively within google.

pytype dev here - thanks for the kind words :) whole-program analysis on unannotated or partially-annotated code is our particular focus, but there's surprisingly little dark PLT magic involved; in particular you don't need to be an academic type theory wizard to understand how it works. our developer docs[1] have more info, but at a high level we have an interpreter that virtually executes python bytecode, tracking types where the cpython interpreter would have tracked values.

it's worth exploring some of the other type checkers as well, since they make different tradeoffs - in particular, microsoft's pyright[2] (written in typescript!) can run incrementally within vscode, and tends to add new and experimentally proposed typing PEPs faster than we do.

[1] https://github.com/google/pytype/blob/main/docs/developers/i...

scala has 2 healthy and pretty complete lib ecosystems : check out typelevel and ZIO. Both are FP oriented, which might not be your cup of tea at first glance but I would encourage you to try em out ! Softest introduction would be to start with the typelevel cats library and build up from there. The excellent Scala with Cats will ease you softly into an FP mindset. It's a bit dated and for scala 2 only but translating to Scala 3 is a very good exercise if you feel so inclined !

Last but not least, Scala is currently the language with one of the best effect systems in my opinion (https://zio.dev/). Kotlin for example has copied the approach with https://arrow-kt.io/ which I think is great actually. But when comparing Scala and Kotlin here, Scala wins by a large margin, it is a completely different world. It's like building a highly concurrent system in Erlang vs C.

Of course, if you don't want to learn things like union types, traits/typeclasses and effects (similar to async/await but more powerful) you will be annoyed by Scala. But once you learned them, you can never go back.

ZIO

Links: - https://dotty.epfl.ch/ - https://scala-native.org/en/stable/ - https://www.scala-js.org/ - https://typelevel.org/ - https://zio.dev/ - https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native/pull/3120 - https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/16517 - https://dotty.epfl.ch/docs/reference/experimental/index.html - https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/ - https://scalameta.org/metals/ - https://docs.scala-lang.org/scala3/guides/migration/compatibility-intro.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2023/04/18/faster-scalajs-development-with-frontend-tooling.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2022/08/17/long-term-compatibility-plans.html

For the Rx approach, The ZIO framework for Scala has a streaming API that can meet those sorts of requirements. e.g.

This tutorial will introduce how to build from scratch, a REST microservice using the ZIO framework, and examples of ZIO dependency injection, ZIO HTTP, JSON, JDBC, and others from the ZIO environment. The source code is available here

I use ZIO (http://zio.dev) for Scala which makes parallel programming trivial.

Wraps different styles of asynchronicity e.g. callbacks, futures, fibers into one coherent model. And has excellent resource management so you can be sure that when you are forking a task that it will always clean up after itself.

Have yet to see anything that comes close whilst still being practical i.e. you can leverage the very large ecosystem of Java libraries.

The one advantage Rust has over Scala is that it detects data races at compile time, and that's a big time saver if you use low level thread synchronization. However, if you write pure FP code with ZIO or Cats Effect that's basically a non-issue anyway.