Protobuf VS vike

It's because they changed the versioning format: https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/releases?page=5

But I suppose old version still receive bugfixes.

For at least 4 years protobuf has had decent support for self-describing messages (very similar to avro) as well as reflection

https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/main/src/go...

Xgooglers trying to make do on the cheap will just create a Union of all their messages and include the message def in a self-describing message pattern. Super-sensitive network I/O can elide the message def (empty buffer) and any for RecordIO clone well file compression takes care of the definition.

Definitely useful to be able to dig out old defs but protobuf maintainers have surprisingly added useful features so you don’t have to.

Bonus points tho for extracting the protobuf defs that e.g. Apple bakes into their binaries.

gRPC Gateway is a protoc plugin that reads gRPC service definitions and generates a reverse proxy server that translates a RESTful JSON API into gRPC.

To use more recent versions of protoc in future applications, you can download them from the Protobuf repository.

Use the Protobuf CLI protoc and the plugin protoc-gen-tonic.

> didn’t find any standard for separating protobuf messages

The fact that protobufs are not self-delimiting is an endless source of frustration, but I know of 2 standards:

- SerializeDelimited* is part of the protobuf library: https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/main/src/go...

- Riegeli is "a file format for storing a sequence of string records, typically serialized protocol buffers. It supports dense compression, fast decoding, seeking, detection and optional skipping of data corruption, filtering of proto message fields for even faster decoding, and parallel encoding": https://github.com/google/riegeli

It looks like it is in fact universal. Just glancing at the code here, it looks like the tool searches any arbitrary file for bytes that look like encoded protobuf descriptors, specifically looking for bytes that are plausibly the beginning of a FileDescriptorProto message defined here:

https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/main/src/go...

This takes advantage of the fact that such descriptors are commonly compiled into programs that use protobuf. The descriptors are usually embedded as constant byte arrays. That said, not all protobuf implementations embed the descriptors and those that do often have an option to inhibit such embedding (at the expense of losing some dynamic introspection features).

Not much. You can check the source code in https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf. For example, for serializing a boolean in C#: https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/blob/main/csharp/src/Google.Protobuf/WritingPrimitives.cs#L165. Strings and objects are a bit more complicated, but it is all about turning the data into its byte representation.

Here are some collected notes of the distinctions between SSRx, Vinxi and Vike, to share with anyone else searching the web. Since my Google search came up empty, and I had to ask around on Twitter/X and GitHub to find out.

We're working on exactly this. You can already do this with Triplit but it's challenging to make an out of the box solution because each framework passes context/data different from server to client differently. There's a cool project called [Vike](https://github.com/vikejs/vike) that generalizes this pattern across SSR'd UI frameworks

Anyone have experience with https://github.com/vikejs/vike?

have you seen https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/ ? i've only browsed their docs, but AFAICT their pitch that it's a more DIY approach to a framework, where you keep a lot of control over how things are wired together.

I agree and, as the author of vite-plugin-ssr[1], that's what I recommend to my users: go for static whenever you can.

I think it's something every web developer should be aware of. Static is indeed a lot simpler than dynamic.

I've wrote more about it over here[2] (SSG = static, SSR = dynamic).

[1]: https://vite-plugin-ssr.com

Maybe vite-plugin-ssr? It's pretty unopinionated and doesn't get in your way.

Also have a look at https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/ (author here).

VPS is slightly lower level which gives you a lot more control: integrate with your existing Node.js backend (use any backend framework you want), deploy anywhere, use any React alternative (Solid, Preact, ...) and any data fetching tool (e.g. Relay can't really be used with Next.js).

The flip side is that you've to write a little bit more glue code. Although this will be alleviated by a lot with projects such as Bati[0], Stem[1], and vike-react (see Vike Rebranding[2]).

VPS also cares a ton about details, such as hooks for full control over i18n (use any i18n strategy you want), better Base URL support (VPS supports setting a different base for your server and your CDN), automatic deploy synchronisation, domain-driven file structure, polished and helpful error messages (especially the next upcoming release), ...

Detailed comparison with Next.js: [3].

If you run into any blocker then it's quickly fixed (or at least a workaround is proposed).

It supports not only SSR and pre-rendering, but also SPA in case you don't need SSR. It's going to support RSC but doesn't yet (RSC isn't ready for production).

Because it's lower level and because it's decoupled from React everything is designed in an agnostic way and with meticulous care. In other words: vite-plugin-ssr is becoming a robust foundation. There are breaking changes coming for the v1 release but beyond that chances are that there won't be any breaking change for years in a row.

In a nutshell: vite-plugin-ssr takes care of the frontend and only the frontend. You keep control over your architecture. (Whereas frameworks tend to put themselves right in the middle of your architecture restricting you in fundemetanl ways.)

Last but not least: it's powered by Vite which means blazing fast HMR.

[0] https://batijs.github.io

[1] https://stemjs.com/

[2] https://github.com/brillout/vite-plugin-ssr/issues/736

[3] https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/nextjs-comparison

Now by default, Vite doesn't do SSR. One way to do Vite+SSR is to use vite-plugin-ssr. You can scaffold an example project that does SSR based on some dynamic data:

vite-plugin-ssr