pgvecto.rs VS txtai

To evaluate the performance metrics in comparison to the original vector approach, we conducted benchmarking using the dbpedia-entities-openai3-text-embedding-3-large-3072-1M dataset. The benchmark was performed on a Google Cloud virtual machine (VM) with specifications of n2-standard-8, which includes 8 virtual CPUs and 32GB of memory. We used pgvecto.rs v0.2.1 as the vector database.

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It's kind of a tradeoff. Performance is just one factor when choosing the vector database. In pgvecto.rs https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs, we store the index separately from PostgreSQL's internal storage, unlike pgvector's approach. This enable us to get multi-threaded indexing, async indexing without blocking the insertion, and faster search speed comparing to pgvector.

I don't see any fundamental reason why the index in Postgres would be slower than a specialized vector database. The query pattern of the vector database is simply a point query using an index, similar to other queries in an OLTP system.

The only limitation I see is scalability. It's not easy to make PostgreSQL distributed, but solutions like Citus exist, making it still possible.

(I'm the author of pgvecto.rs)

Hi, we've solved the problem you mentioned! Please take a look on our open source postgres vector extension https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs.

Our index building process is significantly faster than pgvector on hnsw because we can utilize all the cores, whereas pgvector can only use one core. And for the filter support, we do support pre-filtering, which will guarantee enough results no matter the condition is.

Hi,

In our previous post titled “Do we really need a specialized vector database?” on HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37097004) we discussed the importance of using a Postgres-based solution for vector search. However, we acknowledged that existing Postgres vector extensions lack support for metadata filtering.

We are excited to announce that we have now addressed this limitation. We are proud to be the first (https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs) to enable conditional filtering directly on HNSW indexes within Postgres. This breakthrough allows for efficient and effective metadata filtering in combination with vector search, eliminating the tradeoff previously associated with using Postgres for this purpose.

We invite you to explore our updated offering and experience the benefits of seamless metadata filtering within a Postgres-based vector search system.

Yeah, I think in many cases you just need a vector search lib, instead of a DB.

And in some other cases, you may want postgres vector extension e.g. https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs instead of a specialized vector db.

Seems that pgvector has a viable competitor extension: https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs

We are thrilled to announce the release of https://github.com/tensorchord/pgvecto.rs, a powerful Postgres extension for vector similarity search written in Rust. Its HNSW algorithm is 20x faster than pgvector at 90% recall. But speed is just the start - pgvecto.rs is architected to add new algorithms easily. We've made it an extensible architecture for contributors to implement the new indexes quickly, and we look forward to the open-source community driving pgvecto.rs to new heights!

I tend to agree with this sentiment. Many junior devs and/or those in college want to contribute. Then they feel entitled to merge a PR that they worked hard on often without guidance. I'm all for working with people but projects have standards and not all ideas make sense. In many cases, especially with commercial open source, the project is the base of a companies identity. So it's not just for drive-by ideas to pad a resume or finish a school project.

For those who do want to do this, I'd recommend writing an issue and/or reaching out to the developers to engage in a dialogue. This takes work but it will increase the likelihood of a PR being merged.

Disclaimer: I'm the primary developer of txtai (https://github.com/neuml/txtai), an open-source vector database + RAG framework

txtai is an all-in-one embeddings database for semantic search, LLM orchestration and language model workflows.

Bootstrapping only works if you have the runway to do it and you don't feel the need to grow fast.

With NeuML (https://neuml.com), I've went the bootstrapping route. I've been able to build a fairly successful open source project (txtai 6K stars https://github.com/neuml/txtai) and a revenue positive company. It's a "live within your means" strategy.

VC funding can have a snowball effect where you need more and more. Then you're in the loop of needing funding rounds to survive. The hope is someday you're acquired or start turning a profit.

I would say both have their pros and cons. Not all ideas have the luxury of time.

I agree that in many cases people are puffing their feathers to try to be something they're not (at least not yet). Some believe in the fake it until you make it mentality.

With NeuML (https://neuml.com), the website is a simple HTML page. On social media, I'm honest about what NeuML is, that I'm in my 40s with a family and not striving to be the next Steve Jobs. I've been able to build a fairly successful open source project (txtai 6K stars https://github.com/neuml/txtai) and a revenue positive company. For me, authenticity and being genuine is most important. I would say that being genuine has been way more of an asset than liability.

I'll add txtai (https://github.com/neuml/txtai) to the list.

There is still plenty of room for innovation in this space. Just need to focus on the right projects that are innovating and not the ones (re)working on problems solved in 2020/2021.

txtai is an all-in-one embeddings database for semantic search, LLM orchestration and language model workflows.

Nice project! I've long used Tika for document parsing given it's maturity and wide number of formats supported. The XHTML output helps with chunking documents for RAG.

Here's a couple examples:

- https://neuml.hashnode.dev/build-rag-pipelines-with-txtai

- https://neuml.hashnode.dev/extract-text-from-documents

Disclaimer: I'm the primary author of txtai (https://github.com/neuml/txtai).