paradedb VS tusker

Elasticsearch is good, and it does scale, but it is much more cumbersome and expensive to scale and operate than Postgres. If you use the managed service, you'll pay for the operational pain in the form of higher pricing.

The Postgres movement is strong and extensions like ParadeDB https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb are designed specifically to solve this pain point (Disclaimer: I work for ParadeDB)

No timeline yet, but we know it's a high-priority feature and are working hard on it. Best way would be to join our Slack (link here: https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb/blob/dev/README.md) to follow along. It will be in the coming weeks/months, though.

You're right. We're working on this currently. You can track the issue here: https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb/issues/717

There are definitely ways to cleanly make Postgres scale for analytics. We didn't discuss in this blog, but we will be writing about them in the future. For example, check out what the folks at ParadeDB are doing. https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb. Neon is doing an awesome job separating compute from storage. Supabase contributed foreign data wrappers make it super easy to read from S3 into Postgres. Lots of great work going out there :)

Check out https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb/tree/dev/pg_analytics, we're shipping this week

Shameless plug, but I'm one of the makers of `pg_bm25` (https://github.com/paradedb/paradedb). We're making a faster tsvector/tsrank as a Postgres extension. Maybe it can help, our benchmarks show much faster performance especially as row count increases

Thanks! Yeah definitely agree that building out declarative table management for Postgres would be a major effort. A few open source projects I've seen in that area include:

https://github.com/sqldef/sqldef (Go)

https://github.com/bikeshedder/tusker (Python but being ported to Rust)

https://github.com/tyrchen/renovate (Rust)

https://github.com/blainehansen/postgres_migrator (Rust)

Some of these are based on parsing SQL, and others are based on running the CREATEs in a temporary location and introspecting the result.

The schema export side can be especially tricky for Postgres, since it lacks a built-in equivalent to MySQL's SHOW CREATE TABLE. So most of these declarative pg tools shell out to pg_dump, or require the user to do so. But sqldef actually implements CREATE TABLE dumping in pure Golang if I recall correctly, which is pretty cool.

There's also the question of implementing the table diff logic from scratch, vs shelling out to another tool or using a library. For the latter path, there's a nice blog post from Supabase about how they evaluated the various options: https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-cli#choosing-the-best-dif...

Big fan of tusker (https://github.com/bikeshedder/tusker) for PostgreSQL migrations. Tusker takes a SQL-first approach; You write your schema in declarative DDL (I have my entire project in one schema.sql file) and when you edit it, tusker generates the sql code required to migrate. It uses temporary test databases to run both your declarative DDL and your step-by-step migrations to ensure they are in lock step. And it can connect to live databases and diff your schema/migrations against reality. I've never seen a better toolkit for schema evolution.

Forr postgres, how does the schema diffing aspect compare to migra?

https://github.com/djrobstep/migra

I'm asking because, although migra is excellent and there are multiple migrations tools based on it (at least https://github.com/bikeshedder/tusker and https://github.com/blainehansen/postgres_migrator), issues are piling up but development seem to be slowing down

Is this similar to migra? There's a tool written in Rust that calls it, postgres_migrator (there's also tusker)

The best solution I've ever seen is this Rust library https://github.com/cornucopia-rs/cornucopia

You write plain SQL for you schema (just a schema.sql is enough) and plain SQL functions for your queries. Then it generates Rust types and Rust functions from from that. If you don't use Rust, maybe there's a library like that for your favorite language.

Optionally, pair it with https://github.com/bikeshedder/tusker or https://github.com/blainehansen/postgres_migrator (both are based off https://github.com/djrobstep/migra) to generate migrations by diffing your schema.sql files, and https://github.com/rust-db/refinery to perform those migrations.

Now, if you have simple crud needs, you should probably use https://postgrest.org/en/stable/ and not an ORM. There are packages like https://www.npmjs.com/package/@supabase/postgrest-js (for JS / typescript) and probably for other languages too.

If you insist on an ORM, the best of the bunch is prisma https://www.prisma.io/ - outside of the typescript/javascript ecosystem it has ports for some other languages (with varying degrees of completion), the one I know about is the Rust one https://prisma.brendonovich.dev/introduction

> Tusker actually uses Migra to power its functionality: https://github.com/bikeshedder/tusker#how-does-it-Work

What a twist! Might we ask what field you work in? Seems niche