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pantalaimon
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Matrix 2.0: How we’re making Matrix go voom
Well, if you want end-to-end encryption, then obviously that's going to be hard to write from scratch(!) - especially if you want it to be secure. However, we make it trivial to get up and running by piping your client through a proxy like Pantalaimon (https://github.com/matrix-org/pantalaimon/) which takes your normal traffic and makes it E2EE.
Not sure which "any of the other tablestakes features" you have in mind... obviously if you want loads of features, then you're going to have to write a whole bunch of code to implement them in your client, or build on an existing SDK like matrix-bot-sdk, matrix-rust-sdk, matrix-js-sdk etc. Not sure that's a disadvantage of Matrix though(!)
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IETF should keep XMPP as IM standard, instead of Matrix
I've tried to set up some Matrix projects. The Client-Server API is easy to work with, but as soon as encryption is involved, things start getting messy. Many libraries have a hard time working right with E2EE enabled, because suddenly you need to keep track of all manner of things that aren't always documented well.
I tried to hack E2EE in by using Pantalaimon [0] but running that on a server with the necessary management capabilities is very tricky and doesn't do cross signing, so I've come to the conclusion that it's effectively useless for my use cases.
Every now and then I check back on the current state of E2EE in libraries and it does seem to be improving. Hopefully the entire process becomes easier next time I get the time to work on my proof of concept code.
[0]: https://github.com/matrix-org/pantalaimon
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Threema says it's Open Source Now. Should I use it?
It takes a bit more configuration, but possible via pantalaimon
hydrogen-web
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Matrix 2.0: How we’re making Matrix go voom
Yes! See https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/releases/tag/v0.3....
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Why is Element so BLOATED? Criticisms from a normie
I think you're right, the experience of element on Android isn't great, I use mostly the web app that seems to get more attention and doesn't feel as sluggish. But to bring some hope, I think this will change soon-ish. The Matrix ecosystem has been in kind of a MVP state for several years, the focus was more on the protocol/APIs and not so much on the performance that translates in user experience. But efforts are on the way to improve all of this, on the client side there are several projects working on other clients that might be more performant, including the company behind Element, they have a work-in-progress lightweight client https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web On the server side most servers run Synapse which is written in Python without much though for performance or scalability but there are faster/lighter alternatives on the way like Dendrite or Conduit. It also doesn't help that most accounts are in the same overcrowded Synapse server(matrix.org), overtime it should become more common to have more alternatives and people even running their home server embedded in their device.
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Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded chat
It’s using normal Matrix olm/megolm double ratchet encryption.
To track the identity of who you’re talking to we can do TOFU and/or normal out of band Matrix verification as per https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/issues/518 - but this isn’t yet exposed in Chatterbox. We’ll get it added, as without verification you obviously can’t spot a MITM.
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Looks like Poal finally got big enough that got their attention.
You can use this web app to access the chat. Join the #general channel. https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web
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Has anyone tried to host element-web on a personal server?
Hydrogen's installation process was pretty much exactly the same as Element, the github README was just a lot less specific and there is no config file so you have to edit the HTML directly to get it to point to your site instead of matrix.org by default.
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What Is React: A Visual Introduction for Beginners
> I'm rather convinced at this point that all of these people chanting "Can we just go back to traditional approaches!" have never built a web app of reasonable complexity, never used something like React, or have some sort of combination of FOMO and/or comfort in their long-held approach.
I've got plenty of React & front-end experience and vastly prefer a thin library on top of the DOM than something like React, also for large applications. React is ok if all goes well, but when you have to debug or profile something, all the complexity behind the scenes occludes what you are looking for. Most of the time, people want JSX so you need a transpiler. Also keeping up with changes in new React releases seems like a lot of lost time.
I've been building [1] without a transpiler and just a 600 lines template library (see [2]), and it has been such a breath of fresh air. The fact that there is so little code between you and the browser makes it very easy to see what is going on. Call stacks of max around 15 frames.
It sounds like you are comparing React to jquery code without components, and I justed wanted to highlight that DOM APIs have evolved since those days, and that you don't need a library like React to structure your code.
React has popularized good ideas in front-end development, like components, but I think the complexity cost of a virtual DOM is often underestimated.
1: https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/
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Why Isn’t Telegram End-to-End Encrypted by Default
Matrix's resource utilisation is improving very rapidly at the moment.
Dendrite is still in beta, and hasn't been tuned that much yet, but every release has had a substantial improvement. In other words, if you're not using today's release (0.3.5) you're on stale data. For context, dendrite.matrix.org (running 0.3.5) has ~5K users on it, and is in ~3K rooms spanning 162K users... and its RAM usage is stable at 488MB (occasionally spiking to 2GB during traffic spikes). This doesn't seem unreasonable at all for a chat server of that size. Meanwhile, Synapse has been steadily improving too.
On the client side, Hydrogen (https://hydrogen.element.io, https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web) is our next-gen client implementation, which gives you full E2EE, complete with backup (I have no idea what Durov is banging on about in the OP) - and uses 14MB of RAM for an account in 3,000 rooms spanning 350K users (i.e. my personal one). This is an 100x improvement on Element Web which uses 1.4GB for the same account, although there's also a lot of optimisation that can be done there too.
If I was going to criticise Matrix, I'd focus more on the fact that there are still a lot of papercuts on Element's UX which are holding us back. We're painfully aware of this though and are trying to fix as rapidly as we can.
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Slack Ongoing Connection Issues
it’s a entirely new codebase; probably best way to visualise progress is to look at the contributor graphs at https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web
What are some alternatives?
threema-android - Threema App for Android.
element-ios - A glossy Matrix collaboration client for iOS
serialipedia - The encyclopaedia of serialization formats
Synapse - Synapse: Matrix homeserver written in Python/Twisted.
umurmur - Minimalistic Murmur
ssh-chat - Chat over SSH.
protocol - The schemas for the Harmony protocol
Alpine.js - A rugged, minimal framework for composing JavaScript behavior in your markup.
matrix-hookshot - A bridge between Matrix and multiple project management services, such as GitHub, GitLab and JIRA.
safesupport-chatbox - An embeddable chatbox built on Matrix
matrix.org - matrix.org public website
Alpine