oqtane.framework VS FrameworkBenchmarks

#3042 Fixed margins in Control Panel @leigh-pointer #3040 Added html line breaks to error log notifications @sbwalker #3039 Prevented client ServiceBase logging from looping if server is down @sbwalker #3036 Added logic to package installer to ensure assembly version being installed is equal to or greater than existing assembly @sbwalker #3035 Added a ShowProgress parameter to FileManager to control upload behavior @sbwalker #3034 Fixed issue where Page would disappear if a module was published or unpublished @vnetonline #3030 Displayed warning message to user if package service does not return package requested @sbwalker #3026 Fixed FileManager to call SetImage() before the OnSelect event is fired @vnetonline #3025 Added integration for SupportUrl in Module Definitions and Themes @sbwalker #3024 Removed OnSelect call from OnParametersSet() in FileManager which was causing infinite loop @sbwalker #3020 Added null handling for DisplayName during user creation @sbwalker #3019 Fixed bash script line endings and preserved using gitattributes (credit @rcpacheco) @sbwalker #3018 Allowed page themes to be different from site theme (display warning message) @sbwalker #3017 Added logging to ServiceBase to capture HTTP errors @sbwalker #3016 Enhanced User Management with column sorting @leigh-pointer #3011 Added UserManager class to simplify user management for developers @sbwalker #3011 Improved response validation in ServiceBase for missing Controller methods @sbwalker #3011 Allowed Section component to support parameter changes @sbwalker #3009 Replaced primitive RenderFragment in ContainerBuilder with DynamicComponent @ajahangard #3006 Added handling for both 404 and 403 status codes in GET API response (404 should not log) @sbwalker #2998 Added module name to the Module Settings UI (credit @jlidbeck) @sbwalker #2997 Added logging methods to ThemeBase @sbwalker #2996 Added margin between edit and cog icons @sbwalker #2995 Allowed host users and admins to have personalized pages @sbwalker #2994 Prevented logging of error for personalized pages @sbwalker #2993 Made GetHttpClient() in ServiceBase public @sbwalker #2992 Refactored upload so that it is not dependent on Folder Browse permission @sbwalker #2991 Fixed validation issue in FileManager related to Browse permissions @sbwalker #2989 Added API method to get File based on name @sbwalker #2989 Fixed permission validation for Folder using Browse rather than View @sbwalker #2988 Removed Build action for Oqtane Server in external Theme template @leigh-pointer #2985 Fixed the ResourceType in Module Settings with correct Namespace @vnetonline #2984 Removed Build action for Oqtane Server in external Module template @leigh-pointer #2982 Added package enhancements for Marketplace including SupportUrl @sbwalker #2980 Fixed personalized page to user UserName rather than DisplayName @vnetonline #2975 Added IsRead property to Notifications @vnetonline #2967 Removed RazorLangVersion tag from Client project files @leigh-pointer #2964 Fixed issue where full list of themes was not available in Page Management @markdav-is #2961 Fixed issue where unpublish page was missing logic @leigh-pointer #2959 Fixed issue where module action menu was not displaying the correct mouse pointer @leigh-pointer #2956 Enhanced User Roles Effective and Expiry date to use HTML5 data input @leigh-pointer #2954 Improved Folder API to format path during add/update @sbwalker #2953 Fixed progress bar styling in FileManager @sbwalker #2952 Allowed FileManager to support changes in parameters @sbwalker #2950 Allowed admin to navigate to site settings for deleted site @sbwalker #2949 Fixed issue where HasChildren page property was not considering deleted pages @sbwalker #2948 Reversed ordering of page name and site name for page title to improve SEO (credit @iJungleboy) @sbwalker #2947 Changed UI terminology from Aliases to Urls in Site Settings to improve discoverability @sbwalker #2946 Used case insensitive comparison for ActiveTab name in TabStrip component @sbwalker #2945 Set Expanded to lowercase in Section component if specified @sbwalker #2944 Fixed issue where path was not updated correctly when parent page was changed @sbwalker #2940 Added ThemeSettings and ContainerSettings to external Theme template @vnetonline #2939 Filtered deleted sites in Notification job @sbwalker #2937 Added cosmetic fix for input elements within a table introduced with Bootstrap 5.3 @sbwalker

4.0 was released on June 26, 2023 and is a major framework upgrade to .NET 7. This release includes 104 pull requests by 5 different contributors, pushing the total number of project commits all-time to over 3600. The Oqtane framework continues to evolve at a rapid pace to meet the needs of .NET developers. The 4.0 release is available for download on GitHub.

It's still a thing, and the creator of DNN has moved on and created a new project called Oqtane based on Blazor

The release is available for download on Github and running in production at https://www.oqtane.org and https://www.blazorcms.net.

Does anyone have experience with Oqtane? Apparently it's the successor to DotNetNuke. It looks interesting, I don't have any experience with it. Has anyone tried it?

It looks promising

I would certainly look at Oqtane an framework in Blazor and multi https://github.com/oqtane/oqtane.framework http://www.oqtane.org

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...

RoR and whatever C++ based web backend there is count as a valid comparison in my book. But comparing the languages itself is maybe a bit off.

On a side note, you can actually compare their performance here if you’re really curious. But take it with a grain of salt since these are synthetic benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

Most benchmarks you'll find essentially have someone's thumb on the scale (intentionally or unintentionally). Most people won't know the different languages well enough to create comparable implementations and if you let different people create the implementations, cheating happens. The TechEmpower benchmarks aren't bad, but many implementations put their thumb on the scale (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks). For example, a lot of the Go implementations avoid the GC by pre-allocating/reusing structs or allocate arrays knowing how big they need to be in advance (despite that being against the rules). At some point, it becomes "how many features have you turned off." Some Go http routers (like fasthttp and those built off it like Atreugo and Fiber) aren't actually correct and a lot of people in the Go community discourage their use, but they certainly top the benchmarks. Gin and Echo are usually the ones that are well-respected in the Go community.

There is certainly a lot of speculation in Techempower benchmarks and top entries can utilize questionable techniques like simply writing a byte array literal to output stream instead of constructing a response, or (in the past) DB query coalescing to work around inherent limitations of the DB in case of Fortunes or DB quries.

And yet, the fastest Ruby entry is at 274th place while Rails is at 427th.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

oh what machine? with how many workers? doing what?

search for "node" on this page: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

JustJS would like a word https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&tes...

In terms of RPS, this web service is more-or-less the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks, once the data hits the cache: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

Or, at least, they would be after applying optimizations to them.

In short, both of these would serve more rps than you will likely ever need on even the lowest end virtual machines. The underlying API provider will probably cut you off from querying them before you run out of RPS.