ogv.js VS truffleruby

Yeah, that's what they do using this https://github.com/brion/ogv.js/

I've been told this at least three times now on HN over the years (pretty soon I'm going to start keeping a list of URLs so people know I'm not exaggerating.) Every single time it turns out that it isn't actually true.

It was added to desktop Safari. iOS Safari supports VP9 only in WebRTC. It may have changed, but I can't find any evidence that it has.

If you see it working somewhere, it is almost definitely using the polyfill[1].

[1]: https://github.com/brion/ogv.js/

I found a library "ogv.js" that says it decodes .ogg/.webm using WebAssembly, and this demo plays on my iPhone SE3 in Safari.

I believe Wikipedia has resorted to polyfilling it using this:

https://github.com/brion/ogv.js

That's great and all, but it has limitations, and obviously, is ludicrously less efficient than it should be.

We already have JS/WebGL video decoders (e.g: Broadway.js, OGOV.js). Much of the earlier video playback/acceleration work was getting it accelerated on GPUs-- using DirectX, OpenGL, or other GPU programming standards.

This is great and overdue. Hopefully all major browsers will add some support for open source/royalty free codecs.

Emscripten/WebAssembly actually worked rather well with audio (OPUS is just awesome) but when it comes to video it's just unfeasible, especially if you are looking at doing low latency streaming. That said, I cannot fail to mention the incredible effort done by ogv.js [1] to make a/v decoding possible almost anywhere.

Looking forward to experiment with this new API.

[1] https://github.com/brion/ogv.js/

I think it would be worth mentioning GraalVM and https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby in competitors section.

GitHub page has some info: https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby#current-status

My question is, how viable is TruffleRuby vs JRuby?

I wonder why GraalVM is not more often used for these speed critical cases: https://www.graalvm.org/python/

Is the problem the Oracle involvement? (Same for ruby https://www.graalvm.org/ruby/)

Looks like it’s still a WIP

https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby/commits?author=eregon

this comes at the cost of boxing ints inside Integer, though.

So, if you ignore for a moment primitives types, whenever you have generics, everything boils down to a single method accepting Objects and returning Objects. What the JVM does is to do runtime profiling of what actually you are passing to the generic method, and generate optimized routines for the "best case". In theory this is the best of the two worlds, because like in general you will have a single implementation of the method (avoiding duplication of the code), but if you use it in an hot spot you get the optimized code.

In a way, it is quite wasteful, because you throw away a lot of information at compile time, just to get it back (and maybe not all of it) at runtime through profiling, but in practice it works quite well.

A side effect of this is this makes the JVM a wonderful VM for running dynamic languages like Ruby and Python, because that information is _not_ there at compile time. In particular GraalVM/TruffleVM and exposes this functionality to dynamic language implementations, allowing very good performance (according to they website [1][2], Ruby and Python on TruffleVM are about 8x faster than the official implementation, and JS in line with V8)

[1] https://www.graalvm.org/ruby/

I opened a ticket some time ago about performance with Jekyll and liquid templates. At least in that case, yjit was way faster. I'm happy to retest though. Anything that would make my jekyll builds faster would help.

https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby/issues/2363