noah VS design

Compare noah vs design and see what are their differences.

noah

Bash on Ubuntu on macOS (by linux-noah)
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noah

Posts with mentions or reviews of noah. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-03-24.
  • The Tug-of-War over Server-Side WebAssembly
    12 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Mar 2023
    The other day I came across an interesting "alternative" to WASM which gives you OS portability using fully native code, without CPU portability, the latter seeming not that big of a deal these days anyway as cross compilers have got quite good and there are only two CPU archs in wide usage anyway.

    The idea is to simply run normal Linux binaries on macOS and Windows. How? You create a virtual machine using the Mac/Windows APIs without any OS inside, in fact without even any virtual hardware. It's literally just a new address space and some trivial min-viable VM configuration. Then you map the ELF binary and a ld.so into the VM with a minimal ELF interpreter, kick off execution and anytime there's a syscall you trap it and translate to the host OS syscalls. It can work quite well on macOS because the syscall interface is so similar.

    Note that this sort of VM is not:

    • A sandbox

    • A hardware abstraction

    Apps run this way hold all their data in the filing system of the host OS, they use the network stack of the host OS, etc. The VM is only being used to allow trapping and emulation of the syscall interface. The app isn't aware that it's being run in a special CPU mode on top of an emulated kernel.

    Advantages: lightweight, simple, apps can use all CPU features, can run at native speed, the Linux syscall interface is highly stable, based on POSIX specifications and you can easily pick a subset of it to standardize.

    Disadvantages: requires the emulator, apps exposed to missing features or quirks of the host OS e.g. Windows file system performance is much lower than Linux.

    WSL1 sort of worked that way, albeit without the VM aspect that lets userspace apps do it. They abandoned it partly for performance reasons and users expected all existing Linux apps to just work. But WASM doesn't target existing apps. It expects developers to bend and do things the WASM way, and accepts that not all apps are compatible with it, so that's not necessarily a problem.

    An example of how to implement this is NOAH:

    https://github.com/linux-noah/noah/

  • Lima: Linux-on-Mac (“macOS Subsystem for Linux”, “Containerd for Mac”)
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 14 May 2021
    There was an attempt, but it was archived https://github.com/linux-noah/noah

design

Posts with mentions or reviews of design. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-05-01.
  • Rust, WASM, and LOK
    3 projects | dev.to | 1 May 2024
    First of all, a quick rundown of what WASM is. It stands for Web Assembly. In essence, similar to how Java compiles down to a bytecode that is interpreted by a Java Virtual Machine, Web Assembly is a different bytecode interpreted by the browser. Many different languages can compile into WASM, and Javascript can interface with it like a module. In my case, I wrote a lot of the source code in Rust and compiled it down to a WASM module, then called into it from Javascript.
  • Surprisingly Powerful – Serverless WASM with Rust Article 1
    5 projects | dev.to | 27 Apr 2024
    WebAssembly (abbreviated Wasm) is a binary instruction format for a stack-based virtual machine. Wasm is designed as a portable compilation target for programming languages, enabling deployment on the web for client and server applications. - https://webassembly.org
  • Reaching and surpassing the limits of JavaScript BigData with WebAssembly
    1 project | dev.to | 5 Apr 2024
    With WebAssembly we can compile our C++ codebase into a wasm module for the browser. So when you look at a SciChart.js chart you're actually seeing our C++ graphics engine wrapped for JavaScript.
  • WASM Instructions
    13 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 18 Feb 2024
    I should add, however, that the unmentioned elephant in the room is V8 JIT (TurboFan), which simply doesn't handle irreducible control flow. While there are some valid theoretical arguments around the current arrangement in Wasm, looking at the history of the associated discussions makes it pretty obvious that having V8 support Wasm and generate fast code similar to what it can do for asm.js was an overriding concern in many cases. And Google straight up said that if Wasm has ICF, they will not bother supporting such cases, so it will be done by a much slower fallback:

    https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/796#issuecommen...

    AFAIK no other Wasm implementation has the same constraint - the rest generally tend to desugar everything to jumps and then proceed from there. So this is, at least to some extent, yet another case of a large company effectively forcing an open standard to be more convenient for them specifically.

  • Supercharge Web AI Model Testing: WebGPU, WebGL, and Headless Chrome
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 16 Jan 2024
    https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/1397

    > Currently allocating more than ~300MB of memory is not reliable on Chrome on Android without resorting to Chrome-specific workarounds, nor in Safari on iOS.

    That's about allocating CPU memory but the GPU memory situation is similar.

  • Build your own WebAssembly Compiler
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 3 Dec 2023
    As far as I can tell (5 minutes of internet research) this was to allow easier compilation to JavaScript as a fallback in the days when WASM wasn't widely supported.

    "Please add goto" issue has been open since 2016:

    https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/796

    Most interesting comment:

    > The upcoming Go 1.11 release will have experimental support for WebAssembly. This will include full support for all of Go's features, including goroutines, channels, etc. However, the performance of the generated WebAssembly is currently not that good.

    > This is mainly because of the missing goto instruction. Without the goto instruction we had to resort to using a toplevel loop and jump table in every function. Using the relooper algorithm is not an option for us, because when switching between goroutines we need to be able to resume execution at different points of a function. The relooper can not help with this, only a goto instruction can.

    > It is awesome that WebAssembly got to the point where it can support a language like Go. But to be truly the assembly of the web, WebAssembly should be equally powerful as other assembly languages. Go has an advanced compiler which is able to emit very efficient assembly for a number of other platforms. This is why I would like to argue that it is mainly a limitation of WebAssembly and not of the Go compiler that it is not possible to also use this compiler to emit efficient assembly for the web.

    ^ https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/796#issuecommen...

  • Flawless – Durable execution engine for Rust
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Oct 2023
    When I implemented a WASM compiler, the only source of float-based non-determinism I found was in the exact byte representation of NaN. Floating point math is deterministic. See https://webassembly.org/docs/faq/#why-is-there-no-fast-math-... and https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/blob/main/Nondetermini....
  • Requiem for a Stringref
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 19 Oct 2023
    > To work with GC, you need some way to track if the GC'd object is accessible in WASM itself.

    I've never heard of a GC with that kind of API. Usually any native code that holds a GC reference would either mark that reference as a root explicitly (eg. https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/1459) or ensure that it can be traced from a parent object. Either way, this should prevent collection of the object. I agree that explicitly checking whether a GC'd object has been freed would not make any sense.

    > The reason why you probably need a custom string type is so you can actually embed string literals without relying on interop with the environment.

    WASM already has ways of embedding flat string data. This can be materialized into GC/heap objects at module startup. This must happen in some form anyway, as all GC-able objects must be registered with the GC upon creation, for them to be discoverable as candidates for collection.

    Overall I still don't understand the issue. There is so much prior art for these patterns in native extensions for Python, PHP, Ruby, etc.

  • The Tug-of-War over Server-Side WebAssembly
    12 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Mar 2023
    Giving you a buffer that grows is the allocation approach I am talking about. This is not how your OS works. Your OS itself works with an allocator that does a pretty good job making sure that your memory ends up not fragmented. Because WASM is in between, the OS is not in control of the memory, and instead the browser is. The browser implementation of "bring your own allocator" is cute but realistically just a waste of time for everybody who wants to deploy a wasm app because whatever allocator you bring is crippled by the overarching allocator of the browser messing everything up.

    It seems like the vendors are recognizing this though, with firefox now having a discard function aparently!

    https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/1397

  • How do Rust WebAssembly apps free unused memory?
    5 projects | /r/rust | 26 Feb 2023

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