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MIT License | Apache License 2.0 |
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nestedtext
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The yaml document from hell
As /u/astatine said, an excellent but under-recognized alternative syntax for configuration files is NestedText, where everything is a string unless the ingesting code says otherwise, and there is no escaping needed ever.
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Yaml: First Class Citizen?
I don't know what traits from markdown you'd hope for, but for a relatively obscure but technically excellent format, you can check out NestedText.
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A Nigthtmare called YML
I recently came to appreciate and favor an alternative format called NestedText. Like YAML, indentation is used for structure, so like YAML, you may hate it.
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nt2: a CLI converter between NestedText and JSON, YAML, or TOML
I recently discovered NestedText, and really appreciate the design. To me, it hits the nail on the head where projects like strictyaml and hjson come very close.
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YAML: It's Time to Move On
I'm glad to see people experimenting with alternative document/object representations, but this one might be a hard sell: based on the README[1], it only has Python, Zig and Janet implementations so far. One of the nice things about YAML (and JSON, TOML, etc.) is that they have decently mature C, C++, or Rust libraries that other languages bind to.
[1]: https://github.com/KenKundert/nestedtext
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My two favorite things share the same love as me for YAML!
NestedText
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Json alternatives
NestedText was left out. Has the feel of YaML, without all the complexity and user traps.
- KenKundert/nestedtext ... Human Readable and Writable Data Interchange Format
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- The Perfect Configuration Format? Try TypeScript
- YAML: It's Time to Move On
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Ask HN: What you up to? (Who doesn't want to be hired?)
I'm continuing to work on https://concise-encoding.org which is a new security-conscious ad-hoc encoding format to replace JSON/XML and friends. I've been at it for 3 years so far and am close to a release.
In a nutshell:
- Edit in text, transmit in binary. One can be seamlessly converted to the other, but binary is far more efficient for processing, storage and transmission, while text is better for humans to read and edit (which happens far less often than the other things).
- Secure by design: Everything is tightly specced and accounted for so that there aren't differences between implementations that can be exploited to compromise your system. https://github.com/kstenerud/concise-encoding/blob/master/ce...
- Real type support because coercing everything into strings sucks (and is another security risk and source of incompatibilities).
XML had a good run but was replaced by JSON which was a big improvement. JSON also had a good run but it's time for it to retire now that the landscape has changed even further: Security and efficiency are the desires of today, and JSON provides neither.
I've got the spec nailed down and can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel for the reference implementation in golang. I still need to come up with a system for schemas, but I'm hoping that https://cuelang.org will fit the bill.
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No YAML
Has anyone taken a look at Cue who can share any experiences?
https://cuelang.org/
It's mentioned on the site as an alternative to Yaml. Recently watched (~half of) this intro to it: https://youtu.be/fR_yApIf6jU
- Ask HN: Is there a good way to run integration tests on Kubernetes?
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Cue: A new language for data validation
the most interesting summary explanation of cue lang and its differences is from a bug filing - https://github.com/cuelang/cue/issues/33
>CUE is a bit different from the languages used in linguistics and more tailored to the general configuration issue as we've seen it at Google. But under the hood it adheres strictly to the concepts and principles of these approaches and we have been careful not to make the same mistakes made in BCL (which then were copied in all its offshoots). It also means that CUE can benefit from 30 years of research on this topic. For instance, under the hood, CUE uses a first-order unification algorithm, allowing us to build template extractors based on anti-unification (see issue #7 and #15), something that is not very meaningful or even possible with languages like BCL and Jsonnet.
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CMake proposal: Unified way of describing dependencies of a project
I agree with you. Personally, I think Cue is much better than either YAML, TOML or JSON because it adds the concept of types to the idea of describing configuration.
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Cloud Infrastructure as SQL
true, but the tooling and workflow remains the same.
Not sure of any tool that could abstract the details sufficiently to be widely adopted. There is just too much nuance in cloud config.
I'm exploring using CUE (https://cuelang.org) to define TF resources, exporting as JSON for TF. So far it's much nicer
What are some alternatives?
strictyaml - Type-safe YAML parser and validator.
terraform - Terraform enables you to safely and predictably create, change, and improve infrastructure. It is a source-available tool that codifies APIs into declarative configuration files that can be shared amongst team members, treated as code, edited, reviewed, and versioned.
sublime-json5 - JSON5 support for Sublime Text
dhall-lang - Maintainable configuration files
yaml-reference-parser
jsonnet - Jsonnet - The data templating language
skycfg - Skycfg is an extension library for the Starlark language that adds support for constructing Protocol Buffer messages.
Pulumi - Pulumi - Infrastructure as Code in any programming language. Build infrastructure intuitively on any cloud using familiar languages 🚀
ytt - YAML templating tool that works on YAML structure instead of text
jq - Command-line JSON processor [Moved to: https://github.com/jqlang/jq]
starlark-rust - A Rust implementation of the Starlark language