mix_install_examples VS gleam

Ya, it's fair, it's a common complaint! Though the size of the generated files is nothing compared to Rails :D

You're right that phx_new does count too. It's a bit misunderstood that Phoenix is actually closer to a micro-framework like Flask than it is a full-fledged solution like Django or Rails. What takes it up to their level is `mix phx.new`, so your argument is more on point than I initially thought. The LiveView issue tracker even provides a single-file version of a Phoenix app to re-create your issue in [0]. As you can see, it's not as simple as something like Flask, but not as complex as the generator does.

Again, great article and happy to have you aboard ;)

Also, if you want an auth solution without code generation, there is Pow [1]

[0] https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples/blob/main...

- learning how to compute the checksum of the internal content of a zip file https://github.com/etalab/transport-site/blob/master/scripts...

As mentioned in the article, I can definitely recommend to check out https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples which has a long list of examples.

Streaming ChatGPT via SSE in Elixir: https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples/pull/22#i...

love elixir. hate Mix.

it's like using Maven or npm all over again. but even worse because it generates a lot of code.

it creates disposable projects by design. No way to keep track of what to change when mix create outputs something different next year.

and now things like https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples/blob/main... where is ecto even installed? download from where? so annoying this trend.

Like others have told you, Phoenix doesn't really add much complexity / fat / weight. In terms of complexity, if you don't want to use phx_new to boostrap the project here's a sample of using Phoenix LiveView in a single script file: https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples/blob/main/phoenix_live_view.exs

If you want to play around with Ecto in isolation, you can (thanks to `Mix.install/2`) work in single-files, all containing the migrations, the schemas and configuration.

Check-out this repository for an example (and other single-file examples):

https://github.com/wojtekmach/mix_install_examples/blob/main...

I haven't had time to really try to write anything in it, but https://gleam.run/ looks really good too. Like Elm for backend + frontend!

Want a friendly language for building safe systems at scale? Gleam is here for you. It features modern and familiar syntax, that's reliable and scalable. Gleam runs on an Erlang virtual machine, and can run plenty of concurrent tasks. It comes with a compiler, build tool, formatter, editor integrations, and package manager all built in so you can get started right away. Congrats to the team on shipping your first major version 🙌.

While I love Clojure, I have to agree about tooling. I recently started using Gleam* and was impressed at how easy it was to get up and running with the CLI tool. I think this is an important part of getting people to adopt a language.

* https://gleam.run/

If you use languages that compile to WASM (such as Gleam https://gleam.run), and can also run Postgres via WASM, then it opens very interesting offline scenarios with codebases which are similar on both the client and the server, for instance.

Recently, Gleam has gained more popularity, and a lot of developers (including me) are learning it. At the time of this writing, it has exceeded 14k stars on GitHub; it grew really fast for the last month.

Oh, strange that github had a date of 2016 on this one: https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam/issues/2

I was just going by that, though I do remember checking out gleam 5 years ago or so.

Re: macros, I really do think they’re a big deal and all the other newer languages I’ve used, such as Rust have some kind of macros or powerful meta programming features.

For older languages, a few, like Ruby have enough meta programmability to make nice DSLs, but many others don’t. Given the choice, I’d much rather have Elixir/Clojure style macros than other meta-programming facilities I’ve seen so far.

I had been only following this language with some interest, I guess this was born in gitlab not sure if the creator(s) still work there. This is what I'd have wanted golang to be (albeit with GC when you do not have clear lifetimes).

But how would you differentiate yourself from https://gleam.run which can leverage the OTP, I'd be more interested if we can adapt Gleam to graalvm isolates so we can leverage the JVM ecosystem.