miller VS vnlog

jq and miller[1] are essential parts of my toolbelt, right up there with awk and vim.

[1]: https://github.com/johnkerl/miller

> This works really well if your problem can be solved in one or two liners.

My personal comfort threshold is around the 100-line mark. It's even possible to write maintainable shell scripts up to 500 lines, but it mostly depends on the problem you're trying to solve, and the discipline of the programmer to follow best practices (use sane defaults, ShellCheck, etc.).

> It go bad very quickly when, say, you have two CSV files and want to join them the sql-way.

In that case we're talking about structured data, and, yeah, Perl or Python would be easier to work with. That said, depending on the complexity of the CSV, you can still go a long way with plain Bash with IFS/read(1) or tr(1) to split CSV columns. This wouldn't be very robust, but there are tools that handle CSV specifically[1], which can be composed in a shell script just fine.

So it's always a balancing act of being productive quickly with a shell script, or reaching out for a programming language once the tools aren't a good fit, or maintenance becomes an issue.

[1]: https://miller.readthedocs.io/

where mlr is from https://github.com/johnkerl/miller

if this class of problems (i.e., csv/tsv data) is your main target you may find miller (https://github.com/johnkerl/miller) much more useful in the long run

That said, you may be interested in Miller (https://github.com/johnkerl/miller) which provides similar capabilities for CSV, JSON, and XML files. It doesn't use a SQL grammar, but that's just the proverbial lipstick on the thing. I'm not the author, but I have used it and I see some parallels in use cases at the very least.

worth giving Miller a shot

CSV utilities (still haven't pick a favorite one...): https://github.com/harelba/q https://github.com/BurntSushi/xsv https://github.com/wireservice/csvkit https://github.com/johnkerl/miller

For simple analyses (i.e. what most people do most of the time) doing this on the commandline gets you there faster. I use vnlog (https://github.com/dkogan/vnlog/). By the time you fired up your editor to write your Python code, I already have analyses and plots ready.

Alternative very appropriate for some uses cases: `vnl-join` from the vnlog toolkit (https://github.com/dkogan/vnlog). Uses the `join` tool from coreutils (works well, has been around forever), and `vnlog` for nice column labelling

There's also https://github.com/dkogan/vnlog/ which is a wrapper around the existing coreutils, so all the options work, and there's nothing to learn

And to improve the ergonomics, the vnlog wrappers are available to operate on field names, while retaining the internals of the core tools:

  https://github.com/dkogan/vnlog/

I sorta, kinda agree. Tools written in AWK (and friends) are indeed somewhat unmaintainable, but they're really close to being just right for a LOT of applications. The vnlog toolkit (https://github.com/dkogan/vnlog) adds just a little bit of syntactic sugar to the usual commandline tools to make processing scripts robust and easy to read and write. This was not my intent initially, but I now do most of my data processing with the shell and vnl-wrapped awk (and sort and join, ...) It's really nice. If you write stuff in awk, you should check it out. (Disclaimer: I'm the author)