mgmt VS carvel

This is a new provisioning tool built with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ that I hope both provides great value and also demonstrates the start of a new way to build certain kinds of software.

Thanks for reading!

I've looked briefly into this project before. Some ideas are similar to what I'm doing in https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ but the really weird thing is that I have no idea who's behind this language. A person? A company? A small group? Are they anonymous for some reason or am I oblivious?

I don't generally believe in orchestrators (they miss the point, things are not single computers and neither is the world) and so I have that feedback here but also for:

> Airflow/Cadence/Temporal/Databuilderframework?

Which don't really think about modelling non-centralized things.

This of course doesn't mean they're not useful, it's just that they don't have what I believe is a good long-term value proposition.

I'm incredibly biased because I'm working on programmatic, real-time modelling of distributed systems with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

The DAG concurrency stuff feels familiar to what I've been doing with our language, mcl. https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Our goal is NOT a general-purpose turing-complete language like this one is, but we do some amazing lock-free, DAG concurrency things to achieve the processing wins.

I don't think it's good news, but why is anyone surprised? Nobody wants to pay for open source.

Companies want it for free, and individuals don't have enough luxury time to be able to do it themselves.

Prove me wrong and help patch or fund https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ and you'll have an even better replacement for terraform!

Individual here, not a company. We'd love contributors to https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Eventually decided puppet wasn't a good enough tool to be able to autonomously deploy and continuously manage such clusters. So I started working on this https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ project. Not quite MVP yet, but trying to get there soon. Got distracted along the way with having to work real jobs (Red Hat, Amazon) to pay bills.

Yeah, that project is pretty much at the bottom of my list, unfortunately. My top projects these days are mgmt, klister, recursion-schemes, and hint... And that's already too much!

There are certainly faster alternatives out there (mgmt comes to mind) but then, they're not Ansible.

You should take a look at Carvel maybe something in it could match with your needs.

There's a third option that's quickly rising in popularity, which is Carvel, works great for smaller teams, and allows progressive adoption since it can start as CLI for newer teams learning about gitops concepts.

Carvel (carvel.dev) — featured in opening keynotes.

Huge fan of Carvel tools, it's a whole bunch of them that can help with a wide array of use cases, grab one or two of them for a given scenario, or adopt a bunch that string together to solve larger problems.

+1 been using ytt and kapp, the Carvel stuff in its entirety is a much better experience than helm (it can keep helm to help migration, or deal with the fact everyone still distributes in helm).

Creating Carvel Community which :

https://carvel.dev (and especially the [KAPP](https://carvel.dev/kapp/) piece) is a set of excellent tools to level up on Kubernetes.

Take a look at Kapp on https://carvel.dev/ for this, possibly.

Hopefully this post has helped you make install process smoother, smarter, and made you discover CARVEL tools.