memray VS go

I collected a list of profilers (also memory profilers, also specifically for Python) here: https://github.com/albertz/wiki/blob/master/profiling.md

Currently I actually need a Python memory profiler, because I want to figure out whether there is some memory leak in my application (PyTorch based training script), and where exactly (in this case, it's not a problem of GPU memory, but CPU memory).

I tried Scalene (https://github.com/plasma-umass/scalene), which seems to be powerful, but somehow the output it gives me is not useful at all? It doesn't really give me a flamegraph, or a list of the top lines with memory allocations, but instead it gives me a listing of all source code lines, and prints some (very sparse) information on each line. So I need to search through that listing now by hand to find the spots? Maybe I just don't know how to use it properly.

I tried Memray, but first ran into an issue (https://github.com/bloomberg/memray/issues/212), but after using some workaround, it worked now. I get a flamegraph out, but it doesn't really seem accurate? After a while, there don't seem to be any new memory allocations at all anymore, and I don't quite trust that this is correct.

There is also Austin (https://github.com/P403n1x87/austin), which I also wanted to try (have not yet).

Somehow this experience so far was very disappointing.

(Side node, I debugged some very strange memory allocation behavior of Python before, where all local variables were kept around after an exception, even though I made sure there is no reference anymore to the exception object, to the traceback, etc, and I even called frame.clear() for all frames to really clear it. It turns out, frame.f_locals will create another copy of all the local variables, and the exception object and all the locals in the other frame still stay alive until you access frame.f_locals again. At that point, it will sync the f_locals again with the real (fast) locals, and then it can finally free everything. It was quite annoying to find the source of this problem and to find workarounds for it. https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/113939)

second time was nastier. I used https://github.com/bloomberg/memray to try to spot it - that's the tool you should try out. You load your service through memray, and it will get you some stats that you can export as a flamegraph. I can't really afford to make it run on production so I ran it in a docker image and repeatedly ran the scenario I thought was responsible. Didn't find anything. I know what I did wrong: I assumed one particular codepath was the problem. If would have find the issue if I had a really complete scenario that covers broadly every possible endpoint and condition. Can't blame memray, that tool is really promising.

This is an excellent summary, but it omits part of the problem (perhaps because the author has an obvious, and often quite good solution, namely DuckDB).

The implicit problem is that even if the dataset fits in memory, the software processing that data often uses more RAM than the machine has. It's _really easy_ to use way too much memory with e.g. Pandas. And there's three ways to approach this:

* As mentioned in the article, throw more money at the problem with cloud VMs. This gets expensive at scale, and can be a pain, and (unless you pursue the next two solutions) is in some sense a workaround.

* Better data processing tools: Use a smart enough tool that it can use efficient query planning and streaming algorithms to limit data usage. There's DuckDB, obviously, and Polars; here's a writeup I did showing how Polars uses much less memory than Pandas for the same query: https://pythonspeed.com/articles/polars-memory-pandas/

* Better visibility/observability: Make it easier to actually see where memory usage is coming from, so that the problems can be fixed. It's often very difficult to get good visibility here, partially because the tooling for performance and memory is often biased towards web apps, that have different requirements than data processing. In particular, the bottleneck is _peak_ memory, which requires a particular kind of memory profiling.

In the Python world, relevant memory profilers are pretty new. The most popular open source one at this point is Memray (https://bloomberg.github.io/memray/), but I also maintain Fil (https://pythonspeed.com/fil/). Both can give you visibility into sources of memory usage that was previous painfully difficult to get. On the commercial side, I'm working on https://sciagraph.com, which does memory and also performance profiling for Python data processing applications, and is designed to support running in development but also in production.

bloomberg/memray: Memray is a memory profiler for Python

Memray — a memory profiler

Python profiling is enabled primarily through cprofile, and can be visualized with help of tools like snakeviz (output flame graph can look like this). There are also memory profilers like memray which does in-depth traces, or sampling profilers like py-spy.

I've been using this recently for memory profiling with Python, it works pretty well: https://github.com/bloomberg/memray

great suggestions in this thread. i also recommend performance testing your codebase. these include techniques such as: - creating micro performance benchmarks - using [cProfile] (and learning how to plot / read flame graphs) - memory profiling (e.g. via memray)

The description indicates it is not production ready, and is archived at the same time.

If you pull all stops in each respective language, C# will always end up winning at parsing text as it offers C structs, pointers, zero-cost interop, Rust-style struct generics, cross-platform SIMD API and simply has better compiler. You can win back some performance in Go by writing hot parts in Go's ASM dialect at much greater effort for a specific platform.

For example, Go has to resort to this https://github.com/golang/go/blob/4ed358b57efdad9ed710be7f4f... in order to efficiently scan memory, while in C# you write the following once and it compiles to all supported ISAs with their respective SIMD instructions for a given vector width: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/56e67a7aacb8a644cc6b8... (there is a lot of code because C# covers much wider range of scenarios and does not accept sacrificing performance in odd lengths and edge cases, which Go does).

Another example is computing CRC32: you have to write ASM for Go https://github.com/golang/go/blob/4ed358b57efdad9ed710be7f4f..., in C# you simply write standard vectorized routine once https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/56e67a7aacb8a644cc6b8... (its codegen is competitive with hand-intrinsified C++ code).

There is a lot more of this. Performance and low-level primitives to achieve it have been an area of focus of .NET for a long time, so it is disheartening to see one tenth of effort in Go to receive so much spotlight.

A Discussion about including this package in Go as encoding/json/v2 has been started on the Go Github project on 2023-10-05. Please provide your feedback there.

I like the Principles section. Very measured and practical approach to releasing new stdlib packages. https://go.dev/blog/randv2#principles

The end of the post they mention that an encoding/json/v2 package is in the works: https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/63397

There used to be the GO FIPS branch :

https://github.com/golang/go/tree/dev.boringcrypto/misc/bori...

But it looks dead.

And it looks like https://github.com/golang-fips/go as well.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by acknowledgement, but here are some counterexamples:

- A proposal for sum types by a Go team member: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/57644

- The community proposal with some comments from the Go team: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/19412

Here are some excerpts from the latest Go survey [1]:

- "The top responses in the closed-form were learning how to write Go effectively (15%) and the verbosity of error handling (13%)."

- "The most common response mentioned Go’s type system, and often asked specifically for enums, option types, or sum types in Go."

I think the problem is not the lack of will on the part of the Go team, but rather that these issues are not easy to fix in a way that fits the language and doesn't cause too many issues with backwards compatibility.

[1]: https://go.dev/blog/survey2024-h1-results

Now, I’m not going to use C++ again; I left that chapter years ago, and it’s not going to happen. C++ isn’t memory safe and easy to use and would require extended time for developers to adapt. Rust is the new kid on the block, but I’ve heard mixed opinions about its developer experience, and there aren’t many libraries around it yet. LLRD is too new for my taste, but **Go** caught my attention.

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