caja VS Wekan

I don't know if you are DE shopping, but I've been very happy for the past few years with the MATE Desktop Environment, which "...is the continuation of GNOME 2. It provides an intuitive and attractive desktop environment using traditional metaphors for Linux and other Unix-like operating systems."

https://mate-desktop.org/

Among a great number of things I really like, I will mention that Caja, the MATE version of GNOME 2's Nautilus file manager, still can still be switched to spatial mode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager

Generally speaking, I too really liked GNOME 2.32 and its predecessors, and, as far as I'm concerned, MATE is as it describes itself.

I agree that there is a balance between customization and "cleanness" in design and implementation.

However, I think the GNOME 3 and 4 designers went too far and alienated many users:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-3-4...

https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-42-the-nonsense-continues-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/wte7tr/gnomes_design...

https://linuxreviews.org/GNOME_Developers_have_Made_Their_Mo...

https://www.osnews.com/story/133955/gnome-to-prevent-theming...

When a designer's "coherent vision" eclipses the needs of the software's users then users get frustrated and either fork the project or go to another project. MATE (https://mate-desktop.org/), Cinnamon (https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon), and Unity (https://unityd.org/) exist largely because of how far the GNOME 3 designers went and how they were not willing to compromise their "coherent vision":

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1910

https://web.archive.org/web/20101129161856/http://www.pcworl...

MATE

Mate https://mate-desktop.org/ would be decent for GTK apps. https://www.gtk.org

Arch devs endorsing MATE 😮

> Is there a WM out there that can do the basic quality-of-life functions of today's DEs? I'd love a simple, opinionated WM that takes the features we know are useful today (workspaces, expo mode, sensible file manager layouts, system trays) and gives them a color-adjustable window theme inspired by 90's aesthetics, with minimal compositing that can run fast on hardware as minimal as a prototype RISC-V board. Or really, what we need is a truly minimal DE. Something that doesn't care about GTK or Qt or Kvantum, and stays lean.

Mate desktop environment in my opinion comes closest to the simplicity of the Windows 95/GNOME 2 environments of the old: https://mate-desktop.org/.

Not sure how hardware-frugal it is since maintaining it under GTK 2 was not feasible and it's now developed against GTK 3 (with still maintaining the look and feel of GNOME 2).

Some people deliberately put mate on their PCs.

I have been using MATE for a couple of years now on an Intel Mac mini and it works... mostly. Things I am not a fan of: 1) Snap packages. For anyone that chimes in about how wonderful they are I have yet to see any evidence of that and, please, do show me how you launch OpenShot Video Editor because, well, it doesn't. 2) X-Windows. I'm sorry, but this should be brain-dead simple as running xhost+ on the device you want to receive the X application on, ssh to the other machine with -Y -C flags so you don't have to set the display variable (and you get compression) and then launch the application and it appears on the desktop session you are using. I've been doing this with UNIX machines since the first week I used one in 1992 or so (only I used telnet and set my display instead of using ssh but that's not the point). Anyway, it should work but almost never does without a mind-numbing around my crap to deal with. I keep a Raspberry Pi 4 running just for this purpose oh and ... 3) VNC. Should work. Does not without a lot of tinkering. Also 4) I recall that I had to take some extra steps so that users on the same MATE box could not see the contents of one another's home directories but this was a while back. The fact that it was ever set to allow users on the same system to view the contents of each other's home directories was and is insane.

Looks nice, I selfhosted https://github.com/wekan/wekan for a while, which is a MIT licensed heavily Trello-inspired alternative, does someone know both Wekan and Plankanban and can tell their differences?

Where can I get info, how to make required changes to get software running on s390x? For example, some software requires CPU-specific assembler code. I can not get some code to compile correctly:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/s390x

Thanks for writing this.

I have added and removed about 4 million lines of code:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/graphs/contributors

to WeKan Open Source kanban:

https://wekan.github.io

You are not dumb. It is normal to feel frustrated, when figuring out, step by step, how something works, and what to do. It is like labyrinth. Having enough breaks, taking a walk when needed, having enough coping skills or adding more of them, having patience to keep notes of what is current position in that rabbit hole. If some way does not work, try some other way.

It is always about the basics. Many programming languages change syntax often. Some dependencies change.

For example, when writing some for database export:

1) There was no working code examples at documentation

2) Google etc searches had old info, did not work

3) I did not find from source code how it did work

4) ChatGPT, Bing AI etc examples did not work

5) So I tried with trial and error, what is correct syntax, character by character

For some error messages, sometimes Google search shows somebody having same problem, or even a fix. But if not, it's about reading source code of the software.

But this works when code is available, like in Open Source.

If something is binary executeable, then there is need to decompile, read assembler, deobfuscate, etc. That means even more required, I have not gone there yet. That is why I use and develop FOSS, when it is possible to more easily fix something, when it is broken.

Hi Wekan,

looks cool but IHMO suffers from confusing documentation and onramp.

It took me multiple attempts, days apart, after initially stumbling upon this comment to get a better sense of it.

The project homepage (https://wekan.github.io/) stresses the different installers but at that point I didn't know if I want to install it or not.

Clicking on the Features link (https://wekan.github.io/#features) just takes you a few lines down on the same page which doesn't tell you much.

I tried to find a link to the Github repo but that wasn't obvious either. Eventually I stumbled upon it by following the Docs and API links at the bottom but those are very small and hidden compared to the rest of the content on the page.

From the Docs wiki there is a much better list of Features (https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki#:~:text=Calendar-,Featur...) that tells me more of what I was looking for.

However, I still don't know what database backends are supported or how configurable those are which I need to know in order to assess my backup strategy and how much work it will be for me to maintain this for our intranet site.

Thanks! I added issue about it:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/4930

Try to look at wekan. https://wekan.github.io/

Deck is very minimal and not really suited for anything beyond simple, personal stuff, in my opinion. As far as self-hosted, my favorite is still Kanboard, which has a lot of plugins and themes to choose from. Leantime is good too and a bit different. I also like Vikunja and Wekan.

Have a look at Kanboard. For Android it can be used with kandroid (available on F-Droid). There is also WeKan with official app on Google Play Store