liveviews VS Svelte

If you want to try the liveview approach but not ready to work with Elixir / Erlang / Beam runtime, you can use liveview in 17 popular languages (Java / C# / Javascript / Typescript / PHP / Python, e.t.c.).

https://github.com/liveviews/liveviews

Below are introduction directly quoted from this list:

> This is a list of libraries for creating web applications that handle user interaction with the DOM on the server. These libraries take a different approach from older server-driven browser UIs that simulated a desktop GUI toolkit. They do not lock the developer into working with predefined components; most operate at the level of HTML (DOM) rather than GUI widgets.

> The list strives to be complete rather than awesome. You may see libraries that are not maintained or ready for production.

This approach allows you to handle business logics on the server, and update the screen in browser from the server as well.

[1] https://github.com/liveviews/liveviews

That's a conflation. I'm certain for at least some, the choice is more about using a single language than avoiding JS. I'm sure there are people using htmx who use a JS backend. There are at least 5 LiveView clones for JS for instance: https://github.com/liveviews/liveviews#javascripttypescript

Nuxt, Next, SvelteKit, Phoenix(Elixr), Blazor, and various liveview-likes are popular full stack frameworks. So, although many devs are becoming specialized, there certainly still are full stack developers with demand enough to strongly support several frameworks.

The list is seeking a maintainer. https://github.com/liveviews/liveviews/issues/23

> "different" platform with it's own unique patterns and quirks

Everything OP listed was a criticism directed at LiveView, the 'Live App' functionality, not Phoenix, the web framework. Live Apps are not exclusive to Phoenix either, as there are now imitators for every other web framework now, which at least speaks to its broader appeal amongst developers. So the criticism could be leveled towards the far less mature 'Live App' libraries on PHP/Python/JS/C# and so on and on:

https://github.com/liveviews/liveviews

However there are two ways you can do this server side: 1. Use a tool similar to live view: https://github.com/dbohdan/liveviews

Svelte and specifically, SvelteKit is an open source web framework that makes developing web applications easier.

the technical decision how Svelte should treat self-closing html elements was hindered by Prettier:

Svelte

React has introduced measures like batching state updates, background concurrent rendering and memoization to tackle this. My opinion is that the best way to solve the problem is by improving their reactivity model. The app needs to be able to track the code that should be re-run on updating a given state variable and specifically update the UI corresponding to this update. Tools like solid.js and svelte work in this manner. It also eliminates the need for a virtual DOM and diffing.

Similarly to Promises/A+, this effort focuses on aligning the JavaScript ecosystem. If this alignment is successful, then a standard could emerge, based on that experience. Several framework authors are collaborating here on a common model which could back their reactivity core. The current draft is based on design input from the authors/maintainers of Angular, Bubble, Ember, FAST, MobX, Preact, Qwik, RxJS, Solid, Starbeam, Svelte, Vue, Wiz, and more…

Svelte is a powerful web framework that offers a fresh approach to building web applications. Its simplicity, reactivity model, and built-in features make it an excellent choice for developers looking to create efficient and maintainable applications. By following this guide, you should now have a good understanding of how to get started with Svelte and build your first components, routes, and transitions. You can read more about svelte on the official Svelte website.