live_svelte VS bun

Bun is an executable as far as I understand. Would it be possible to call Bun code directly from another language with bindings?

For example Erlang (and Elixir) has Native Implemented Functions[0] (NIF) where you can call native code directly from Erlang. Elixir has the zigler[1] project where you can call Zig code directly from Elixir.

Maybe you can see where I'm going with this, but it would be super cool to have the ability to call Javascript code from within Elixir. Especially when it comes to code that should be called on the server and client. I'm the developer of LiveSvelte[2] where we use Node to do SSR but it's quite slow atm, and would be very cool to use Bun for something like this.

In any case Bun is super impressive, keep it up!

[0] https://www.erlang.org/doc/tutorial/nif.html

[1] https://github.com/E-xyza/zigler

[2] https://github.com/woutdp/live_svelte

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Full-Stack Web Developer. Looking for Elixir/Phoenix work. 7+ years of professional experience working with various web technologies, mainly Python, Django and Svelte(Kit). Would be open for working with Python/Django/Svelte(Kit). Also open to work on frontend and/or backend only projects. Website refresh/new website projects is also something I'm interested in.

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Remote: Yes (Remote only)

Willing to relocate: no

Technologies: Elixir, Phoenix, Svelte, Django, Python

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Email: [email protected]

GitHub: https://github.com/woutdp

Website: https://wout.space/

Current project: https://github.com/woutdp/live_svelte

Past project: https://geoquest.gg/ (made in SvelteKit)

Full-Stack Web Developer. Looking for Elixir/Phoenix work. +7 years of professional experience working with various web technologies, mainly Python, Django and Svelte(Kit). Would be open for working with Python/Django/Svelte(Kit). Also open to work on frontend and/or backend only projects. Website refresh/new website projects are also something I'm interested in.

Hi I'm a Full-Stack Web Developer. Looking for Elixir/Phoenix work. +7 years of experience working with various web technologies, mainly Python, Django and Svelte(Kit). Would be open for working with Python/Django/Svelte(Kit). Also open to just work on frontend and/or backend only projects. Website refresh/new website projects are also something I'm interested in.

Availability: +- 20 hours per week or less, hourly or contract work

- Current project: https://github.com/woutdp/live_svelte

- Past project: https://geoquest.gg/ (made in SvelteKit)

- GitHub: https://github.com/woutdp

- Website: https://wout.space/

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For very high degree of interactivity I've been working on LiveSvelte which might solve that issue for you. Your other points still stand though.

https://github.com/woutdp/live_svelte

I've been working on LiveSvelte[0] which might answer this in the LiveView example. It integrates LiveView with Svelte and has SSR support by calling Node from within Elixir, I wouldn't call it unholy, it's quite nice :)

Routing is fully handled by Phoenix, and you can get quite fast page transitions with Live Navigation Events. It's just that whenever you need complex frontend state you can offload it to Svelte, while still maintaining that backend interopability, in this case with E2E reactivity.

What's also really nice is that LiveView and Svelte are both very declarative in the way they handle the 'view' layer. And so they map really well onto eachother.

I also wrote a blogpost[1] on the topic.

[0] https://github.com/woutdp/live_svelte

[1] https://wout.space/notes/live-svelte

It has a decent compatibility with both Jest and Vitest's APIs (you can track progress here so you can use it as almost a drop-in replacement for either. Just as Node's, it has describe/it, mock, test and others, but with the expect syntax (which I find more readable). For example:

In this third and final article in the series on HTML Streaming, we will explore the practical implementation of the Diff DOM Streaming library in web browsing. This approach will allow any website using web components to retain its state during browsing. We will discuss in detail how to achieve this step by step using VanillaJS and Bun.

At Node Conference 2023, Jarred Sumner (creator of Bun) showed a demo of server components in Bun, so there is at least partial support in that ecosystem. The Bun repo provides bun-plugin-server-components as the official plugin for server components. And while I haven’t looked at it in-depth, Marz claims to be a “React Server Components Framework for Bun”.

Continuously evolving, Bun is currently optimized for MacOS and Linux, with ongoing efforts towards Windows compatibility. Tailored for resource-constrained environments like serverless functions, it emerges as an ideal solution. The Bun team is committed to achieving comprehensive Node.js compatibility and seamless integration with prevalent frameworks. For those intrigued by Bun's potential and want to give it a try, more information is available on its website at https://bun.sh/.

Let’s say you are interested in learning more about Bun and probably give it a try. Bun has a website, where you can learn more about Bun and its features (including all the benchmark data captured in this issue), and here is the link.

Looks like it, it seems the 2% are mostly odd platform specific issues that the authors' did not deem very important (my assumption for the release happening anyway). AFAIK this[1] PR tries to fix them.

[1]: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/9729

Bun has a solution for it. First of all, it already has a list of trusted dependencies. For them, Bun will execute all necessary scripts by default. Otherwise, you can add it to trustedDependecies in your package.json file. In Bun community usage of trustedDependencies is a hot topic. There are several suggestions on how to improve it.

Install Node.js (or Bun, or Deno, or whatever JS runtime you prefer) if it's not there

I think maybe I was unclear. I'm talking about writing libraries that abstract across these differences and provide a single API, as sibling describes. I already know it's possible. I made a simple filesystem abstraction here[0] and a very simple HTTP library that uses it here[1]. They both work in Node/Deno and the browser. Unfortunately I ran into issues with Bun's slice implementation[2]. But I suspect there's a much better way of detecting and using the different backends.

[0]: https://github.com/waygate-io/fs-js

[1]: https://github.com/waygate-io/http-js

[2]: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/7057