neutrino VS BTCPay Server

Most of them use Neutrino https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino

You mean this?

You can run a bitcoin node on a phone today with Neutrino for example.

I'm curious about what made you reach that understanding. My guess is that you either tried or heard from someone who tried to open channels with Bitrefill or another LN giant. You shouldn't do that. Big channel operators don't want to dilute their liquidity with unreliable small channels. You should instead connect to a smaller channel that is connected to that big node. LN is all about routing.

Also in the thread's context we are talking about Visa and Mastercard banning merchants right? In a scenario where the LN is widely adopted that merchant can setup and run https://btcpayserver.org and maintain his own independent LN or on chain payment process system.

As for users, there has been work to facilitate nodeless operation on software wallets. Probably based on https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino. I know Blue Wallet is building something based on Rust's lightweight LN node so people can establish channels from their personal wallets https://github.com/BlueWallet/rn-ldk.

LN development is really fast paced. I recommend people try to at least learn about the latest advances before making critics like "I've checked months ago and it was terrible".

I wonder if Nakamoto, or Neutrino can be used with c-lightning

You may want to look into this: https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino

Lightning neutrinos will thank you. :)

Bitcoin users abandoned bitpay about six years ago during the blocksize wars, because they joined the bcash attack. Now anyone that wants to accept bitcoin payments, and especiallly through lightning, uses the open-source btcpay.

> It was also an interesting learning experience, implementing it was much harder than we anticipated and I hope others in the same position can benefit from our learnings.

Well done, never mind that guy, he clearly has an axe to grind and doesn't seem to grasp very much other than his out of touch talking points: did you look into using BTCPAY [0] server?

Things are still not as easy as they should, but have seriously advanced in the last few years.

0: https://btcpayserver.org/

Game changer for us is BTCPay Server since a big point of crypto is removing banks/middlemen. Rock solid and bitcoin goes directly to our wallet that we control the private keys for. No Coinbase. No Bitpay. Just actual bitcoin. Highly recommended

Since the transaction which would be running are not going to be that large of a quantities where each and every % matters, I think it would be safer to go with something like nodeless as referred. For some larger operations https://btcpayserver.org/ would be somewhat better. Thank you for the help!

Did you teach them about lightning? BTCPay Server?

Merchant using BTCPay Server