leo-editor VS KotlinLanguageServer

What are your experiences with literate programming for handover of code?

I am thinking of tools like noweb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noweb), LEO (http://leoeditor.com/) org-mode (http://cachestocaches.com/2018/6/org-literate-programming/), scribble/lp2 (https://docs.racket-lang.org/scribble/lp.html#%28part._scribble_lp2_.Language%29),

My experience so far is that it can be a fantastic tool for documenting and handing over complex algorithms to successor developers. I use extensively use ersonal wikis (sometimes MoinMoin, sometimes Zim Wiki, in the last time often a combination of github with reStructuredText) for work. That might also be sufficient when handing over boring code.

I know what folding is, that's just not what I want. I want to completely hide everything that is not related to the current function. For a while, I used http://leoeditor.com/ where I could have every function/method as a node in a tree, with the node body containing just that. Looking for a way to achieve the same in vim if possible.

The lack of good node/graph based APIs for Org Mode is my beef as well. When you compare it with the APIs of the Leo Editor[1], Org pales in comparison. Manipulation that is trivial in the Leo Editor can be quite a pain in Org mode.

[1] https://leoeditor.com/

> What outliners do you know which allow end-users to feed their data into formulas for processing it without using general-purpose programming languages?

Bit of a pointless constraint, the talk is about outliners, not no-code-datamangment. Which tool today does this even offer on a useful level?

But you can look at leo editor (https://leoeditor.com), which is active for 20+ years, fully scriptable and extendable. Though, it's a hot piece of garbage for laymen. It's offers a bunch of features and plugins even for non-coders, but I'm not sure it would satisfy you for this area, if you can't code.

But I'm not sure if there ever is a tool which will satisfy everyone with just a no-code-approach.

Hmm maybe you mean:

- Programming based on fragments, not documents (e.g. LEO https://leoeditor.com/)

- Live programming (e.g. smalltalk environments)

- ... where certain actions are not available, e.g. a PL geared towards speech recognition may not support "hover"

There's also https://leoeditor.com/ where you can have a tree of nodes and execute any of them.

I had this problem until I found an editor that had outlining as it's core design paradigm. Now, with the outline always visible, it's _really_ easy to navigate any length file.

Unfortunately, at one point I got so used to navigating with the outline that I ended up making a 1500 line function in C (I was an even worse C programmer then than I am now). Because of the outline, I could read and follow it easily, but anyone with a different editor was royally screwed :-(

If you're interested, the editor is LEO (http://leoeditor.com/) it's been mentioned on HN a few times

There's a community-made one, but of course as much effort as has been put into it it's not as featureful as JetBrains's own stuff.

Kotlin is probably the worst case for Neovim. While there is a language server for Kotlin, it's not very advanced and does not look like it's actively developed.

Hi, if you are going to do Kotlin the easiest choice is android studio with Kotlin plugin. Using Vscode is more tricky because Jetbrains does not want to support lsp for Kotlin so you only have https://github.com/fwcd/kotlin-language-server available to write Kotlin on Vscode.

Kotlin Language Server puts a warning on this code, because the bar inside the lambda shadows the function argument bar. Flow typing solves this problem by eliminating the need to redefine bar as a new non-nullable variable in the branch where we've verified it's non-nullable.

You want to change something about that? Go and help over at the kotin lsp server. It's maintained, and welcomes contributions. I sometimes use it in my day job (writing Kotlin backend code)

There is https://github.com/fwcd/kotlin-language-server, but I wouldn't expect something more official from a company that refuse to support LSP in their IDEs. JetBrains is the Apple of the IDE world.

Oddly enough, we use mostly the same languages. However, I would advise against using neovim with Kotlin: its language server has an excessive memory usage and its debugger is cumbersome with neovim (I haven't managed to get it working, and currently it also lacks an entry in nvim-dap's wiki).

I'll bring up the Kotlin LSP[0] every time I see Kotlin on HN because I really hope the LSP takes off (which would make it viable to use Kotlin with a non-IntelliJ editor).

Kotlin as a language looks really cool, but I don't want to give up terminal-based, modal editing (which I'd have to in order to use IntelliJ).

Along those lines, I once tried diving into using Gradle outside IntelliJ, and I couldn't find any good resources to help with that. If folks have hints/links-to-blog-posts with regards to that as well, that'd be great!

[0] https://github.com/fwcd/kotlin-language-server#this-reposito...

I've tried [this Kotlin LSP](https://github.com/fwcd/kotlin-language-server) and it isn't perfect. It's not complete, but it does some of the basic things.

I've downloaded kotlin language server from here: https://github.com/fwcd/kotlin-language-server