jonesforth
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jonesforth
- Konilo: A personal computing system in Forth
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Thinking Forth: A Language and Philosophy for Solving Problems [pdf]
Cool. Here are some other resources that I've encountered along the way of learning Forth:
- JonesForth: https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesfort...
This is legit a text that goes the an x86 Forth implementation. Actually, it's just an implementation with really extensive comments. That said, including whitespace and comments, it's just 2000 lines and the pedagogy is excellent. Highly recommended for anyone who would rather see behind the curtain before picking up a larger text.
- SmithForth: https://dacvs.neocities.org/SF/
So, Smith decided to hand-write a Forth directly in x86-64 opcodes (well, the corresponding ascii hex bytes). It's incredibly slim and enlightening how you can bootstrap a language in just a couple hundred bytes or so.
This project actually inspired me to really learn the x86-64 architecture, so I ended up hand-decompiling the SmithForth binary instead of going through his commented implementation. Hand-decompilation is an absolutely fascinating exercise. You learn all about ELF structure, opcode encodings, and actually start to see the gaps where microarchitectural details shine through. Highly recommended for any hacker that really wants to grok low level details.
- Mecrisp: https://mecrisp.sourceforge.net/
An amazingly fast Forth implementation for MSP430, ARM, RISC-V, MIPS, and some FPGAs. This gave me one really nice understanding of Forth as
A REPL into your hardware!
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Problem Running JonesFORTH
I've git-cloned JonesFORTH (https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.S) and achieved to compile it (i.e. run make w/o an error. When I start the executable, it presents me with an empty line, and when I say BYE, it says PARSE ERROR: bye.
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Ask HN: Where do I find good code to read?
Is there any particular language you're looking for? I've found some languages hideous until I understood them and could appreciate their respective graces. Off the top of my head the I can think of a couple.
The first is Jones Forth (https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth), start with jonesforth.S and move into jonesforth.f. I really enjoyed following along with it and trying my hand at making my own stack based language.
The other is Xv6, a teaching operating system from MIT (https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2021/xv6.html), not all the code or implementations are top notch but it shows you non-optimized versions (just because they're simple and more readable) of different concepts used in OS design.
If you're interested in the embedded world, there is a really neat project I've been following that feels a more structured and safe (as in fault-tolerant) while still staying pretty simple (both conceptually and in the code itself): Hubris and Humility (https://hubris.oxide.computer/).
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Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse
Very low hardware requirements, so basic industrial control at the level where you'd otherwise use an Arduino or so but on scavenged hardware. Forth is ridiculously simple to get an implementation running.
https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesfort...
Is a nice starting point. It's obviously not as compact as say 'Brainfuck' but it is far more versatile.
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Making my own forth implementation
OP mentioned jonesforth, but linked to a nasm port of it. Which is probably good it’s just that the documentation in the comments with ascii art doesn’t look right on my screen. So here’s a more common repo: https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth
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Struggling with looping constructs, BEGIN WHILE REPEAT
Rip the asm macros for the basic FORTH words out of this and then embed them in a C binary, statically linked with your favourite libs for whatever task. Although I haven't tried this yet, I'm planning on doing it with ncurses for my own Roguelike. From there, if you can convert the function calls and your parameters down to raw numbers, you can send instructions to ncurses or whatever other API you like, directly from a FORTH stack.
- I'm wondering why so few forth microcontoller tutorials are out there?
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replace jonesforth links to the left by proper link
or the mirror of this site in github: https://github.com/nornagon/jonesforth
- Languages to implement in space-constrained environments
mal
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Ask HN: Is Lisp Simple?
>Would be interesting to see how the interpreter works actually...
It's quite easy to see, there are interpeters for Lisp in like 20 lines or so.
Here's a good one:
https://norvig.com/lispy.html
(It has the full code in a link towards the bottom)
There's also this:
https://github.com/kanaka/mal
- GitHub - kanaka/mal: mal - Make a Lisp
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Build Your Own Lisp
Here is one implementation of a lisp (mal specifically) in matlab: https://github.com/kanaka/mal/blob/dcf8f4d7b9cf7b858850a04a0...
Only 260 lines of code, pretty concise :)
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Found inside my compiler I've been writing for about 2 years
have a look at the crafting interpreters book, plus make a lisp (lisp is a great first language to make a compiler/interpreter for, just google "lisp compiler/interpreter" and you'll find lots of resources)
- Ce proiecte for-fun ati facut in timpul facultatii ca sa invatati ceva nou si practic singuri?
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Crafting Interpreters or Writing an Interpreter in Go? Given context
If you're really okay with the limitations of a tree-walk interpreter, you might want to check out MAL, which will teach you how to write a tree-walk interpreter for a LISP. The code for MAL has been translated to most popular languages, so you can work through the creation of an interpreter in the language of your choice. JLox would give you a bit more detail and a more complex language, but I'm not convinced that it's all that important.
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What do I do now?
Write a small programming language (lisp (https://github.com/kanaka/mal) or brainfuck) in C++ to learn the syntax more. This will teach you a lot about programming languages in general.
- Ask HN: What projects did you build to get better as a programmer?
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Can you beat my dad at Scrabble?
So I started some hobbyist game dev using Unity and realised that the full process of making a game has dependencies on a mass of lower-level skills including lighting virtual environments. As a hobbyist photographer I could see some useful analogies from lighting studios and other scenes
So I pivoted, and eventually made money, not from selling a game, but from developing tutorials about digital lighting. I was also able to contribute to a project at work that was making a product based on commercial games engine, not by actually coding it, but by helping to better estimate the costs of the asset generation required.
Coding Unity object scripts in C# also got me back into programming, and I went on to successfully build a self-hosting lisp interpreter following the Make a Lisp guidelines [0].
[0] https://github.com/kanaka/mal/blob/master/process/guide.md
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Advice for a first-time designer of my own original programming language? Presently writing the interpreter!
Hijacking the top comment to add https://buildyourownlisp.com and https://github.com/kanaka/mal
What are some alternatives?
stoneknifeforth - a tiny self-hosted Forth implementation
paip-lisp - Lisp code for the textbook "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming"
factor - Factor programming language
Lua - Lua is a powerful, efficient, lightweight, embeddable scripting language. It supports procedural programming, object-oriented programming, functional programming, data-driven programming, and data description.
durexforth - Modern C64 Forth
sectorlisp - Bootstrapping LISP in a Boot Sector
tinyrenderer - A brief computer graphics / rendering course
project-based-learning - Curated list of project-based tutorials
sectorforth - sectorforth is a 16-bit x86 Forth that fits in a 512-byte boot sector.
hy - A dialect of Lisp that's embedded in Python
SavjeeCoin - A simple blockchain in Javascript. For educational purposes only.
wisp - A little Clojure-like LISP in JavaScript