sly VS cl-cookbook

please someone create a pull request (or issue) on SLY github, to make it available to other SLY users. (I do not wish to have a github account and don't care about the copyright)

Probably a silly question. I saw some Emacs gifs in sly’s README and found the font simple but comfortable. Would anyone using the same font mind sharing his/her setup?

I think lisp languages have a culture of not caring about security, (total speculation here) with roots going back to stallman decrypting the passwords and restoring anonymous access in the MIT lab. For example, quicklisp the main package manager people are using with common lisp is pulling packages over http. Normal lisp development spawns a tcp socket that accepts arbitrary code to execute. Emacs recently pushed a release fixing a vuln not because they thought it was important, but because their users cared and they realize it's a bad look to not push timely fixes to known vulns. All those I can't really fault cause they're just people in their free time, but clojure has major industry use and the default html templater (hiccup) doesn't escape html by default (well it does in version 2 but that's still alpha so most are on version 1), leading to most web backends written in clojure having cross-site scripting (XSS) vulns.

With emacs your two choices are either SLIME or SLY. Slime is a good place to start - it's rock solid. Once you get moving you can make a judgement call on whether or not SLY has features you'd like over what SLIME has available.

A proper Neovim client for Slime or Sly. The closest is Vlime, but its UI is really janky.

SLIME or SLY for Common Lisp (if you want to work with it), Geiser for various Schemes

This may sound very threatening, but Emacs is the champion for lisp/scheme support out of the box in my opinion. If you are trying Common Lisp, check sly: https://github.com/joaotavora/sly It’s installable via melpa: https://melpa.org/#/getting-started

I have a Hobbyist version of LispWorks and would like to use it with SLY. However I get this weird behavior as expressed in: https://github.com/joaotavora/sly/discussions/513

I tried to quickload c-mera into sbcl (using Emacs and SLY on Linux (SLIME should work, too)) and succeeded. here is what I did: 1) git clone https://github.com/kiselgra/c-mera 2) git clone https://github.com/didierverna/clon 3. open a SLY-REPL and (ql:quickload "net.didierverna.clon"), be sure it succeeds, if not check asdf paths 4. change to c-mera directory and do a dos2unix file on all files in all (sub)directories. 5. run autoreconf -if 6. run ./configure --with-sbcl 7. run make this failed on my system, I didn't try to solve that 8. open the SLY-REPL and enter (ql:quickload "c-mera") 9. in SLY-REPL enter (ql:quickload "cmu-c") 10. in SLY-REPL enter (in-package :cmu-c) 11. in SLY-REPL enter (cm-reader) 12. in SLY-REPL run first example code from readme

But after you get past some basic weird stuff, it's a quite wonderful language.

> I can only speak for myself, but I definitely reason about code outside in rather than inside out.

You can indent code to make it much easier to "parse", and use some macros that turn the code inside/out, it's more readable than most other languages.

The CL cookbook is an excellent resource, and this page links to several other excellent resources and books you can read for free online: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/

The "new docs" also present the documentation in a "modern" looking way (rather than the 90's looks of what you get if you Google around): https://lisp-docs.github.io/cl-language-reference/

About other Lisps...

The Racket Guide is definitely not "bone-dry": https://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/intro.html

It is well written and looks very beautiful to me.

On another Scheme, I find Guile docs also great: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/index.ht...

They may be a bit more "dry" but they're to the point and very readable! In fact, I think Lisp languages tend to have great documentation.

> the problem with Lisp is that it's sorta bundled with Emacs

What's the problems with Alive, SLT, Slyblime, and Vlime? I mean, I use Emacs, but I was using Emacs before getting into Scheme and CL anyway.

> Every website that teaches Lisp is in ugly HTML+CSS-only style

I dunno, I feel like the Community Spec (<https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html>) and the Cookbook (<https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/>) are fine.

> I like the philosophy of (s-exp) but modern lisps have ruined its simplicity for me by introducing additional bracket notations [like this].

Yes, that additional notation is a terrible blight on the perfection that is S-expressions, I wholeheartedly agree.

check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries

- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...

- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)

Q4: the Cookbook should get you straight to the point: build a website, web scraper, DB access, reference of data structures… https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/

It's a good book!

Modern companions would be:

- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries

Also:

- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review

https://leanpub.com/lovinglisp -- this one is great, and the first thing I recommend

https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ -- also great and up to date

https://awesome-cl.com/ -- for anything else.

Little help to boost your videos: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ look at the banner. Cheers.

For more beginner-friendly, I suggest P. Siebels Practical Common Lisp or The CL Cookbook. Both of those should be available in Emacs info format! If authors are lurking in here :-)