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janet-sh
- Writing Small CLI Programs in Common Lisp (2021)
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Getting started with lisp
Right now, the one that is most attractive is Janet, with its wonderful shell programming integration and built-in http request. Those are both things I'm working a lot with.
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Janet – a Lisp-like functional, imperative programming language
I use Janet most often as a glue for shell utilities using the sh package (https://github.com/andrewchambers/janet-sh). It's a great tool for building small containerized jobs. I think it has a ton of potential as the ecosystem grows and matures.
Some rough spots:
- No canonical http client. There are a few attempts at wrapping libcurl but nothing complete and well documented yet. However, the creator of Joy framework for Janet does have an http client library.
- The main http server circlet is MIT licensed, but it is built on top of Mongoose, which is GPL/paid commercial. Something to be aware of if you want to distribute binaries made with this library.
- I have never been successful getting any of the UI or drawing libraries to work.
- Naming of packages is a bit confusing even if you have watched the Good Place and are aware of all of the inside jokes.
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Writing Small CLI Programs in Common Lisp
The arguments I have seen are based on Janet using arrays/tuples rather than cons cells. Here is the author addressing this on reddit a while back. https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aqwedz/janet_i...
The debate continues in the thread. Either way, I think Janet is very useful for situations where you want something lisp like and also want/need small executables. I've experimented with it quite a bit and have found it really useful for putting together cli apps. The sh package is really useful for gluing together other shell programs. https://github.com/andrewchambers/janet-sh
janet
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Scriptable Operating Systems with Lua [pdf]
Seems like a perfect use-case for Janet. (https://janet-lang.org/) A fast minimal VM like Lua, but even more extensible than Lua by being a "Lisp" with macro and C extension capabilities. Not a true Lisp, it's very pragmatic and performance-oriented. But it keeps the good stuff.
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Ask HN: A Lisp with Cargo/NPM like build system?
You might be looking for: https://janet-lang.org/
It comes with a build tool `jpm` which installs dependencies globally by default, but you can have it be installed in your project folder as well.
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Babashka: Fast native Clojure scripting runtime
I like Clojure, but I never had any good opportunities to use it other than for a few small hobby projects. It is unfortunate that it is so huge with tons of dependencies and no simpler native implementation. I started looking at various LISPs and Schemes to find something lighter to use instead and ended up settling for Janet that I think is Clojure-like enough to be comfortable to use, but in a small native binary with no dependencies and can be embedded in other native programs. I am sure for big, real, projects that Clojure makes more sense, but for my hobby projects and scripts I do not think I will install it again. I am still happy for the things I learned from learning Clojure. It was a real eye-opener for an old OO-programmer.
https://janet-lang.org/
- Janet Language
- Why Fennel?
- Embeddable Common Lisp 23.9.9
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Sharpscript: Lisp for Scripting
One might also check out Janet for quick scripting tasks.
https://janet-lang.org
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Red Programming Language
Thanks!
I thought about another multiplatform, homoiconic, highly compact language: https://janet-lang.org/ (takes 803 kb on my machine).
It has no types though.
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Systems Programming with Racket
Racket is great, and if you like it you might find Rash interesting:
https://rash-lang.org/
Janet and Gerbil Scheme are also worth a look:
https://janet-lang.org/
https://cons.io/
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how did you finally reach Lisp enlightenment?
Point here is that, for instance Janet language does not have cons / pair type but tuple (and so is lispoid, not lisp), but clearly this is sufficient for macros & hence seamless language construction: all you need is to be a lispoid although being a lisp gives another useful feature.
What are some alternatives?
roswell - intended to be a launcher for a major lisp environment that just works.
Fennel - Lua Lisp Language
janetdocs - A community documentation site for the janet programming language
get-started-with-clojure - Learn Clojure and Interactive Programming – Zero install
termp - Trivial utility: are we in a terminal window or in a dumb one? (like Emacs' Slime)
babashka - Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting
freja - Self-modifiable editor for coding graphical things
scheme-for-max - Max/MSP external for scripting and live coding Max with s7 Scheme Lisp
janet-pobox - Clojure like atoms/spinlocking in Janet
ferret - Ferret is a free software lisp implementation for real time embedded control systems.
hofmod-cli - Hofstadter generator for Golang CLIs
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