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Jam – Self-Hosted Clubhouse\ (40 comments)

Wow, I just woke up to this. Glad to see Jam here on hn. We've come a long way since the initial release earlier this year (Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26131123).

Most of our efforts since february went into making the rooms more reliable which sounds simple but there are actually countless of different reasons for why audio might not work or not work as well as it could (switching from wifi to mobile data, microphone permissions, bandwidth problems, OS forces app into background, …) some are solvable others at least need to be documented and tracked.

What else is new other than reliability?:

# Support for large rooms (think: thousands of people in the audience) using an SFU

Initially Jam only had support for p2p rooms which is great for small rooms (up to like ~20 people depending on upstream bandwidth of the speakers) but for online conferences, meetups and so on you often need rooms that support 100s or 1000s of participants so we added an SFU where the speakers still send audio to each other p2p to keep conversations low-latency but we use a server to stream audio to all users that are in the audience.

(That said: you can still run Jam p2p-only if you prefer that)

# Locally recorded multi-track audio (think: podcasts with multiple guests, where you get one high quality audio track per speaker)

You can try multi-track audio recordings on our public beta server (https://beta.jam.systems). Tap on our own user and then "Start Podcast Recording". When you tap on your own user again and then "Stop Podcast Recording" the browser will prompt you with downloads for all audio tracks (we will make this more smooth going forward).

# Custom UI

For everyone who wants to add audio rooms to their own app but needs full control over the look and feel we have added an API and JavaScript library (and NPM package) so you can "build your own" ui for Jam. This basically means that Jam is running "headless" as an audio room server and makes sure audio works while you can build exactly the ui that you want.

E.g. let's say you have an app like Google Docs and you want to allow people to talk about a document. In this case you might want something that doesn't look like a room on Clubhouse or Twitter Spaces but rather like a line of avatars and with the API and library you can build this yourself now:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/jam-core

https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam/-/tree/master/ui/examples

# Managed hosting

For everyone who wants to use Jam but doesn't want to install and maintain Jam themselves we are run and support Jam for you (think: what Wordpress.com is to Wordpress.org):

https://jamshelf.com

I am working on an open source tool (Jam) that can be used to record podcasts with guests.

Looks nice, I selfhosted https://github.com/wekan/wekan for a while, which is a MIT licensed heavily Trello-inspired alternative, does someone know both Wekan and Plankanban and can tell their differences?

Where can I get info, how to make required changes to get software running on s390x? For example, some software requires CPU-specific assembler code. I can not get some code to compile correctly:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/s390x

Thanks for writing this.

I have added and removed about 4 million lines of code:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/graphs/contributors

to WeKan Open Source kanban:

https://wekan.github.io

You are not dumb. It is normal to feel frustrated, when figuring out, step by step, how something works, and what to do. It is like labyrinth. Having enough breaks, taking a walk when needed, having enough coping skills or adding more of them, having patience to keep notes of what is current position in that rabbit hole. If some way does not work, try some other way.

It is always about the basics. Many programming languages change syntax often. Some dependencies change.

For example, when writing some for database export:

1) There was no working code examples at documentation

2) Google etc searches had old info, did not work

3) I did not find from source code how it did work

4) ChatGPT, Bing AI etc examples did not work

5) So I tried with trial and error, what is correct syntax, character by character

For some error messages, sometimes Google search shows somebody having same problem, or even a fix. But if not, it's about reading source code of the software.

But this works when code is available, like in Open Source.

If something is binary executeable, then there is need to decompile, read assembler, deobfuscate, etc. That means even more required, I have not gone there yet. That is why I use and develop FOSS, when it is possible to more easily fix something, when it is broken.

Hi Wekan,

looks cool but IHMO suffers from confusing documentation and onramp.

It took me multiple attempts, days apart, after initially stumbling upon this comment to get a better sense of it.

The project homepage (https://wekan.github.io/) stresses the different installers but at that point I didn't know if I want to install it or not.

Clicking on the Features link (https://wekan.github.io/#features) just takes you a few lines down on the same page which doesn't tell you much.

I tried to find a link to the Github repo but that wasn't obvious either. Eventually I stumbled upon it by following the Docs and API links at the bottom but those are very small and hidden compared to the rest of the content on the page.

From the Docs wiki there is a much better list of Features (https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki#:~:text=Calendar-,Featur...) that tells me more of what I was looking for.

However, I still don't know what database backends are supported or how configurable those are which I need to know in order to assess my backup strategy and how much work it will be for me to maintain this for our intranet site.

Thanks! I added issue about it:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/4930

Try to look at wekan. https://wekan.github.io/

Deck is very minimal and not really suited for anything beyond simple, personal stuff, in my opinion. As far as self-hosted, my favorite is still Kanboard, which has a lot of plugins and themes to choose from. Leantime is good too and a bit different. I also like Vikunja and Wekan.

Have a look at Kanboard. For Android it can be used with kandroid (available on F-Droid). There is also WeKan with official app on Google Play Store